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Posted on 1/6/22 at 9:22 am to White Roach
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but easily half of the arrests were for traffic violations like passenger without seatbelt and no car seat.
Yeah, I noticed that as well. But there are also some serious charges on there as well, like assault on an officer with a deadly weapon, several felony burglaries, property damage, possession of a stolen firearm, etc.
And this is awful:
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Rittmanic and Bailey were responding to a report of dogs barking in an unattended vehicle at the motel on Wednesday when they were shot.
When the officers ran the car's license plates, they discovered that it belonged to Sullivan. Bailey knew that Sullivan was wanted on a bench warrant, according to court documents, and that he had previously run from Bradley police officers trying to arrest him.
The two officers knocked on the door of room 308, where Sullivan and Harris were staying, for about 15 minutes. Harris repeatedly told them through the door that she was getting dressed.
Finally, she opened the door and tried to wedge her way outside and close the door behind her, hiding Sullivan from officers.
They asked her multiple times to move out of the way before Sullivan emerged, wielding a 9mm handgun equipped with a drum clip. He pointed the barrel and Bailey and shot him point-blank in the head.
He shot Rittmanic as she tried to run away, according to court documents. Then, his gun jammed - he tried to unjam the weapon with his right hand and mouth while he used his left hand to try to disarm Rittmanic.
Harris ran down the hallway towards the struggle, and Sullivan allegedly told her to 'cock the gun, cock the gun.' With her help, Sullivan took Rittmanic's service weapon from her, which he used to shoot her in the head, officials said.
The underlined part doesn't exactly jive with this:
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Hours later, Xandria A. Harris, 26, turned herself in to the Bradley Police Department. Her attorney, Phil Haddad, said she turned herself in voluntarily.
'She maintains her innocence. She's a mother of three children and she's pregnant,' Haddad said.
She "maintains her innocence, except that she allegedly impeded police from going into the room, and then helped her piece of shite boyfriend take the cop's gun which he shot her in the head with.
frick her and I hope she dies right along side of the a-hole that pulled the trigger. Hopefully her kids aren't too far gone in the lifestyle that they can't be rehabilitated or find good homes to be raised in, because they are most likely already gone after being betrayed by their piece of shite parents.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:02 am to Sneaky__Sally
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and have you looked around at your peers these days? Don't seem that difficult to fool into a wrongful guilty verdict.
Well just call it line it is: the day you can't trust a jury of your peers to reach a reasonable conclusion about the facts of a case is the day this country dies/died.
It's the most basic foundation of our democracy really.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:21 am to Geekboy
At one time hanging by the neck until dead was not considered to be a cruel and unusual punishment. I would support pay for view hangings like every Monday night at 8 PM and the proceeds should go to a charity like an orphans home or wounded vets.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:22 am to SuperSaint
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90%+ of his rap sheet is because he can’t drive
Yeah, it’s hilarious, isn’t it. Now somebody is dead.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:25 am to transcend
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I’m not against locking up violent offenders, but our prisons are littered with nonviolent drug charges.
No they're not. Nobody spends any time in prison.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:27 am to Geekboy
Bro I don't want 7 day old dead people hangng in the public square. It is food truck Thursday. I ain't trying to smell dead bodies while I'm smashing a burrito. I'm okay with the death penalty but I don't want to smell dead bodies nor do I really care to watch someone get electrocuted. I mean if someone paid me 20 bucks and it only lasted for 5 minutes I'd do it. But I got better stuff to do like jump on a trampoline or read books.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:30 am to bountyhunter
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That's due to the high number of shite cops on the force. The ones that lie to people to try to get them to say incriminating things. The ones that disregard laws they enforce. The ones that go home and beat their wives at a much higher rate than the public at large. The ones that don't understand/don't want to understand our rights. The ones that turn a blind eye to the misdeeds of their comrades. They exist in a fairly large number and they get good cops killed.

Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:32 am to Geekboy
We share the country with monsters.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:34 am to transcend
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The United States over incarceration problem is real and it disproportionately affects low income (and yes black) citizens. I’m not against locking up violent offenders, but our prisons are littered with nonviolent drug charges.
That may be true but its not the non violent people we are bitching about. Its the violent people who dont get charged or get charged with a misdemeanor instead of a felony.
I could care less if someone smokes weed, but if you commit a violent act you should go to jail for a long arse time.
There should be no parole. If you committed a crime that warranted a 20 year sentence you shouldn't get out in 10-12 because you were "good" in prison.
And the death penalty should be used much more frequently. It should be public and persons who are being charged with lesser crimes (misdemeanors) should have to watch. And it shouldn't be lethal injection. Bring back the gallows. Make it painful and difficult to watch so nobody want that to happen to them
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:36 am to supadave3
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I wasn’t either for a long time but I’ve started to come around. He makes sense on the cash bail subject, if you get past him saying he’s against cash bail. Him working in the DA’s office also gives him a perspective that’s worth listening to. He sees it day and and day out and we just read the newspapers and made up statistics
While I hesitate to throw away good will, I don’t want to have it in error: I’ve always been clear that I’m a career criminal defense attorney, not a prosecutor. But regardless, I appreciate the sentiment that you’re at least willing to consider what I write, whether you agree with it or not
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:39 am to Geekboy
In this situation, I totally agree. The problem would be, same as now, injustices in the justice system.
The innocent that are Wrongly put to death or incarcerated may be "cost of doing business", unless it's you or someone you love.
I don't know the answer. The cuase seems to be these liberal, delusional, "woke" elected officials and those that vote for them.
I'm so grateful not to live in a bigger city where these problems are more apparent.
The innocent that are Wrongly put to death or incarcerated may be "cost of doing business", unless it's you or someone you love.
I don't know the answer. The cuase seems to be these liberal, delusional, "woke" elected officials and those that vote for them.
I'm so grateful not to live in a bigger city where these problems are more apparent.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 10:39 am to armsdealer
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I am not against the death penalty because I don't think some people deserve to die, I am against the death penalty because I do not trust the government to execute the right people.
I am 100% for the death penalty in ALL cases where there is a 0% chance that the accused didn't commit the crime. If there is any legitimate evidence that the accused didn't or couldn't have committed the crime, then give them prison time upon conviction. But in cases where it is absolutely irrefutable that the accused committed the crime, they should get the DP in EVERY case, unless the killing was justified.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:01 am to Geekboy
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And this is why I’m for public gruesome executions
You know what else works? Vigilantism
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:04 am to troyt37
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I am 100% for the death penalty in ALL cases where there is a 0% chance that the accused didn't commit the crime.
And who makes that determination? If someone is found guilty it is beyond a reasonable doubt. Yet innocent people are wrongfully convicted.
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If there is any legitimate evidence that the accused didn't or couldn't have committed the crime
See above.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:05 am to Irregardless
There are many many cases where the accused admits to the crime, but tries to excuse it in one way or the other. If the excuses don't hold up, then they admitted to capital murder.
There are also many many murders where another perpetrator is simply impossible, or evidence of a perpetrators presence and crime is left at the scene.
Those cases should be death penalty cases, without an option for anything else, and circumstantial cases, or cases built upon witness testimony should not be eligible for the DP.
ETA: watch a show like 48 hours for a month or two, and realize how many heinous, savage, premeditated murders get pled down to some bullshite voluntary manslaughter crime that will see the murderer out on the street in 10-15.
There are also many many murders where another perpetrator is simply impossible, or evidence of a perpetrators presence and crime is left at the scene.
Those cases should be death penalty cases, without an option for anything else, and circumstantial cases, or cases built upon witness testimony should not be eligible for the DP.
ETA: watch a show like 48 hours for a month or two, and realize how many heinous, savage, premeditated murders get pled down to some bullshite voluntary manslaughter crime that will see the murderer out on the street in 10-15.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 11:15 am
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:06 am to transcend
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disproportionately affects low income (and yes black)
Are you trying to say that other races are committing more crimes and just don’t get caught?
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:08 am to armsdealer
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I am not against the death penalty because I don't think some people deserve to die, I am against the death penalty because I do not trust the government to execute the right people.
Exactly.
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:11 am to NimbleCat
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Are you trying to say that other races are committing more crimes and just don’t get caught?
You do know that black men are sentenced to death at a much greater rate proportionately to white men. Can you at least concede that?
Posted on 1/6/22 at 11:17 am to Irregardless
FBI
And that has nothing to do with the concentration/percentage of black men who live in southern/death penalty states, or the fact that black men commit the majority of murders in this country?
ETA: FBI crime stat for 2019. Black men, roughly 6% of the population, committed 49% of the murders in this country.
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You do know that black men are sentenced to death at a much greater rate proportionately to white men. Can you at least concede that?
And that has nothing to do with the concentration/percentage of black men who live in southern/death penalty states, or the fact that black men commit the majority of murders in this country?
ETA: FBI crime stat for 2019. Black men, roughly 6% of the population, committed 49% of the murders in this country.
This post was edited on 1/6/22 at 11:28 am
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