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re: Analysis of LA's Covid Numbers - Deaths and Cases Only by Age
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:27 am to ell_13
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:27 am to ell_13
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1. Isolating only those in high risk group will never end the outbreak.
The goal isn't to end anything. It's to protect those who need it. NOTHING ever suggested could end this outbreak. That's not realistic. The fact you even bring it up makes you naive.
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2. Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
Unless those lower risk individuals develop some immunity or can stay away long enough for a vaccine. You're making my point. All we can do is take precautions for those who are most at risk as best we can.
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3. Overwhelmed medical resources pose a risk to all age groups.
Welcome to March I guess. We aren't here anymore. Hospitals are bleeding money because they don't have their beds full. They're MEANT to be that way.
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4. There are effects outside of just "death" in all age groups. Some of these seem to be long-term.
That's true for ANY illness. Colds and flu and anything else can have a lasting effect that may or may not heal or get better. Nothing has shown Covid to be any worse than others. Nothing.
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This includes school closings.
So you're an idiot then.
You're intentionally misreading my points, per usual. I don't mean literally END the outbreak. We are intending to lessen the peak of the wave and return near base before flu season begins.
Hospitals ARE being overwhelmed in "red" areas, with others following behind them on similar trajectory.
All illnesses are illnesses. Congrats on that astute point. This one just happens to be spreading like wildfire and we have no long-term studies on its full impact on the body.
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Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:31 am to transcend
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This includes school closings.
I really hate you people. How long do we close schools? Through next spring?
How long do you think the feds can keep printing money to shore up the crashing economy?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:36 am to transcend
quote:I’m sorry. I should have assumed you were being figurative instead of literal when you said “end the outbreak.”
You're intentionally misreading my points, per usual. I don't mean literally END the outbreak.
quote:Two things. 1) Young people getting it means nothing in terms of hospitals. So my points still stand. 2) I said this back in April. If we really wanted to protect ourselves from the flu and football season, we should have remained fully open back then and just taken the brunt of the peak then. Mitigation’s EXTEND and DELAY the peak. What you are suggesting is actually counter productive.
We are intending to lessen the peak of the wave and return near base before flu season begins.
quote:My point was that it’s a red herring. “Long term effects” are just a moved goal post. As if we are equating a covid diagnosis with smoking 3 packs a day. It’s a respiratory illness. And it behaves like the rest of them. Nothing has suggested differently. Lungs get scarred from coughing not any virus itself.
All illnesses are illnesses. Congrats on that astute point. This one just happens to be spreading like wildfire and we have no long-term studies on its full impact on the body.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:17 pm to Run up middle
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This post was edited on 4/16/21 at 10:30 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:33 pm to ell_13
solid data
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:36 pm to ell_13
There’s no disputing this.
As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
How do you suggest we make that a realty?
As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
How do you suggest we make that a realty?
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:38 pm to SlidellCajun
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As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
If we just would have had leadership that would have thought to protect the nursing home people, we would have been looking at 40-45% less deaths through May.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:43 pm to ell_13
Your post starts with the false assumption that the number of deaths FROM Covid are correct.
Given what we've seen going on around the country, subtract 1/3 and start over.
Given what we've seen going on around the country, subtract 1/3 and start over.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:44 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:Educate people with the reality of the situation instead of the kneejerk BS and hyperbole. You give people the power of knowledge and then hand over the responsibility to them. We don't ground airplanes because pregnant women shouldn't fly. We put up warnings and doctors let them know the dangers. We don't shut down every single theme park because roller coasters are dangerous for people with heart conditions. We put up signs and verbal warnings in the lines. It's no different here. He warn the people who are most vulnerable and then let them decide their fate and deal with the consequences. This draconian shutdown over a disease with a death rate below 0.5% and only impacting the elderly is fricking insane.
As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
How do you suggest we make that a realty?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:44 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:
There’s no disputing this.
As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
How do you suggest we make that a realty?
You're the kid who touched the hot stove even after your parents told you not to, huh?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:45 pm to ell_13
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You can't read. Nationally, over 2000 people under the age of 30 died from Swine. In Louisiana, the covid number is 16. Nationally, it's less than 300. Swine was 7 times more deadly for that age group.
I'm ignorant on the subject of swine flu, but I presume that number is from the entirety of 2009 vs a 5 or so month window of documenting the covid numbers? And I'm sure if the numbers were projected for a full year for covid, it would still be significantly lower than the swine flu, but I just had to ask.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:45 pm to oogabooga68
quote:It's the only data we have to go by. The reliability of that data is another story and addressed throughout the thread.
Your post starts with the false assumption that the number of deaths FROM Covid are correct.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:47 pm to ell_13
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Educate people with the reality of the situation instead of the kneejerk BS and hyperbole. You give people the power of knowledge and then hand over the responsibility to them. We don't ground airplanes because pregnant women shouldn't fly. We put up warnings and doctors let them know the dangers. We don't shut down every single theme park because roller coasters are dangerous for people with heart conditions. We put up signs and verbal warnings in the lines. It's no different here. He warn the people who are most vulnerable and then let them decide their fate and deal with the consequences. This draconian shutdown over a disease with a death rate below 0.5% and only impacting the elderly is fricking insane.
Another upvote. But really ell, you should be careful. You are making way too much sense. I'm worried somebody notices and you end up in the cancel culture.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:47 pm to ElRoos
quote:Only about 9 months of Swine. From April 2009 to January 2010. Due to the nature of H1N1, a vaccine was found fairly quickly.
but I presume that number is from the entirety of 2009 vs a 5 or so month window of documenting the covid numbers?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:52 pm to ell_13
Thank you!
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:54 pm to Peazey
quote:Sure it matters, people over 60 have every right to save themselves. Shelter at home/quarantine/wear masks and gloves/order your groceries & meds to be delivered to you home.
The conclusion that we can draw from this is that if you are over 60 then your life doesn't matter
DON'T put yourselves at risk by leaving your residence.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 12:54 pm to Breesus
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No one should vote strictly based on which national federal political party your local politicians align with. Judge them based on their accomplishments and accolades in the community. Not their Ability to asskiss the feds. That’s literally counter to the founding principles of this country and we need to wake up. But we won’t. This is going to get worse before it gets better.
Most people in this state are too stupid to be able to do that, so it's not going to happen.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:07 pm to transcend
quote:Nothing will end it, it's a virus and they've been around since the beginning of time. Those High Riskers need to isolate themselves - it's a choice they must all make for their own self preservation.
1. Isolating only those in high risk group will never end the outbreak.
quote:High Riskers need to isolate themselves, period. Shelter at Home - have your groceries & med's delivered to you home - Stay inside and quarantine.
2. Lower risk individuals will eventually infect those who are higher risk.
quote:Medical resources have had months to prep the resources. Masks/vents/med's are much more plentiful than they were in March.
3. Overwhelmed medical resources pose a risk to all age groups. Combine this outbreak with flu this fall/winter and this will get exceedingly worse.
quote:All illnesses carry effects outside of just "death", they always have. Bronchitis persists for long-term for some folks, pneumonia carries long lasting effects for most humans.
4. There are effects outside of just "death" in all age groups. Some of these seem to be long-term.
quote:Schools do not need to be closed. The education systems have had 4-5 months to prepare for the return of their students and faculty.
This includes school closings.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:12 pm to SlidellCajun
quote:
As long as those under 40 stay away from people over 70, I think things will be fine
How do you suggest we make that a realty?
You let adults make adult decisions instead of tanking the economy and ruining thousands of local small businesses
Posted on 7/21/20 at 1:14 pm to ell_13
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Only about 9 months of Swine. From April 2009 to January 2010. Due to the nature of H1N1, a vaccine was found fairly quickly.
Ah, makes sense. Well now I agree with the evidence you gave even more. This whole situation is such bs. Thanks for the post.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 1:15 pm
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