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re: America's greatest literary critic about to release new book ranking authors

Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:13 pm to
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:13 pm to
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the 12 american writers who he considers the greatest in american history
what do the computer polls say
Posted by Jamohn
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:15 pm to
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american writers
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T.S. Eliot
That one is a little bit on the line. Dubious classification.

I would've liked to see Hemingway on there, but I get that I'm a fan of his and not all critics love his work as much as I do.

Surprised at no Henry David Thoreau or Edgar Allen Poe.

I've always thought Hawthorne was wildly overrated. Maybe I was born without whatever sophisticated gene it takes to appreciate his work but I've just understood his stature in American literature. Fun fact: He died thinking The House of the Seven Gables was his best work. Clearly the man had no taste.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:18 pm to
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Cormac McCarthy is a God.
His Southern Gothic style took some time to get accustomed to, but I've never read a novel that was able to to convey and elicit emotion like The Road.
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 11:19 pm
Posted by Amadeo
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:18 pm to
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Anyway, here are the 12 american writers who he considers the greatest in american history. 1. Ralph Waldo Emerson 2. Emily Dickinson 3. Nathaniel Hawthorne 4. Herman Melville 5. Walt Whitman 6. Henry James 7. Mark Twain 8. Robert Frost 9. Wallace Stevens 10. T.S. Eliot 11. William Faulkner 12. Hart Crane


What!!

No Maya Anjelou?

His exclusion of any African-American author will make him a less "respected literary critic of our time", me fears.
This post was edited on 5/24/15 at 11:30 pm
Posted by HaveMercy
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Posted on 5/24/15 at 11:42 pm to
No F Scott Fitzgerald? No way this list is legitimate without Fitzgerald.
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 3:44 am to
No mention of Steinbeck on this list? I'd like to here his explanation.
Posted by ForkEmDemons
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:08 am to
I know he isn't well respected among many literary circles but I would have to include Stephen King on the list.
Posted by Volmanac
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 4:13 am to
Literary critics HATE the Vols.

Cormac McCarthy should be on there.


Also, Cormac >>>> Faulkner. Suck it Black bears.
Posted by Tigris
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:10 am to
Just the sort of list you would expect from a patriarchal white male. He puts a token chick at #2 and considers that good enough.

At least this is what I expect to hear coming from academia.
Posted by EveryonesACoach
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 5:25 am to
A whole book? Couldn't he have just given us an internet slideshow list and be done with it?
Posted by Delirium
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:17 am to
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Just the sort of list you would expect from a patriarchal white male. He puts a token chick at #2 and considers that good enough.

At least this is what I expect to hear coming from academia.


This is easily the most pretentious list of writers I've seen. Best writing critic of our time? Sure, whatever you say.
Posted by Overbrook
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:22 am to
In 50 years, it may be the same list. 7 of the 12 on this list are poets. Can't make big money writing poetry. I enjoy reading poetry, but it's largely because of the rhythm and the sound of the language (like Wallace Stevens)- I need crib notes to really understand what any of the poets on his list are saying. Poetry has been replaced by rock music in some ways.

Even writers who could write great literature are advised to tone it down a little and make it more accessible and they can become wealthy. Some of them do this and still write their great literature, but not many.
But there's still a lot of great writing out there - maybe not on the level of Faulkner, but reasonably close and much easier and enjoyable to read.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:24 am
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:23 am to
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I'm sorry, but Stephen King deserves to be on that list of top-12.

I know there is a bias against recent authors, but King is a God among men.



The movie/TV Board is that way, you may feel more comfortable there
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:25 am
Posted by REG861
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:25 am to
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This is easily the most pretentious list of writers I've seen. Best writing critic of our time? Sure, whatever you say.


Do you even know who Harold Bloom is? He is absolutely the most prestigious living critic. (Which isn't to say I necessarily agree with the list).
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:39 am
Posted by Hoyt
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:37 am to
No John Steinbeck? List is shite.

Grapes of Wrath
Of Mice and Men
East of Eden
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:43 am to
Agree, Steinbeck should be on the list.

Tennessee Williams deserves at least honorable mention.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:43 am to
Lol no King, no care. He is absolute one of the greatest storytellers and fiction writers. I'd but his best work up against any fiction writers work.
This post was edited on 5/25/15 at 8:45 am
Posted by Sparkplug#1
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:46 am to
No HST? This list is a sham.
Posted by Freauxzen
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:47 am to
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That one is a little bit on the line. Dubious classification.

I would've liked to see Hemingway on there, but I get that I'm a fan of his and not all critics love his work as much as I do.

Surprised at no Henry David Thoreau or Edgar Allen Poe.


This.

Too many poets, not enough Short Story masters, which is THE American Literary form.

I'd drop Eliot or Crane and add Poe. And because the list probably needs someone modern, drop both and add Poe and McCarthy. McCarthy is the only modern writer worthy of this list outside of a Heller, Mischner, or Updike (not varied enough). I'd also consider Carver or O'Connor, but I'm not sure they are influential enough for the list.

Overall, though, solid list. And I'm glad this wasn't an "art for art's sake list," or one that pandered. This is the cream of the crop.
Posted by Delirium
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 5/25/15 at 8:48 am to
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He is absolutely the most prestigious living critic.


He sounds like an absolute bore.
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