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re: Americans have lost all form of responsibility

Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:34 pm to
Posted by chitiger91
Lake Bluff IL
Member since Apr 2016
3120 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:34 pm to
200% agree
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
34604 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:37 pm to
What about otherwise healthy people that have an undiagnosed underlying condition that would die or close to it if infected? Seems to be more and more of that.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48721 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:37 pm to
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Yeah. Great. You ignored half the post. The hospitalization and dead numbers are the data.


Yes, because it relies on a wild assumption that you pulled out of thin air.

quote:

What exactly do you think the current rate of infection is?


In Lake Charles, I would imagine way less than 5% currently.
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
48926 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:39 pm to
I don't think some of you realize how many people fall into the "at risk" category. Even if it were just all of the "at risk" category people who were quarantined, some of you would still complain about that, too.
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 8:43 pm
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
12081 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:39 pm to
Assume 1/2 of 1 percent. Still insignificant. We can do this all day.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
37077 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:41 pm to
First thing I think you’ve ever posted that I completely agree with. Well said.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
9719 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:45 pm to


Well done sir
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48721 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:48 pm to
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Assume 1/2 of 1 percent. Still insignificant. We can do this all day.


Roughy 250,000 in the Lake Charles Metro region that would feed into the regional healthcare center.

A 1% infection rate is 2,500.

The hospitalization rate of COVID-19 is between 15-20% with an ICU rate of 3-4% (in a stable system).

At 1% in the Lake Charles area, you would have a hospitalization number between 375-500.

The ICU figures would range between 75-100.

According to your figures:

quote:

There are like 30-40 ventilators in the city between all the hospitals. Say there are 350-400 rooms total across all 4 area hospitals.


Just COVID alone at 1% has pushed Lake Charles overcapacity. That doesn't account for the safe assumption that at least half of those hospital rooms and vents are already in use by non-COVID patients.

Posted by White Bear
Yonnygo
Member since Jul 2014
16437 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:51 pm to
I agree. But we’re conditioned from birth to depend on the govt to save our asses.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
12081 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:52 pm to
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The hospitalization rate of COVID-19 is between 15-20% with an ICU rate of 3-4% (in a stable system).


That’s absurdly high, man. Nothing here in the US has rates that high. Not even in NOLA or they’d be over capacity at the moment.

I gave you the current dead and ICU patients in LC. According to your work up, there’s currently only be 35 people infected in the LC metro. That’s way too low according to people claim here there is a ton, but no testing available
This post was edited on 3/24/20 at 8:53 pm
Posted by Redbone
my castle
Member since Sep 2012
20088 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:52 pm to
quote:

make sure YOU ... that put You .... you should ... protect yourself.
Wanna know how I know YOU are an idiot?
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59185 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:53 pm to
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Open things up, quarantine at risk individuals, let Darwin's theory of natural selection take place for those that ignore

We suspended the theory of natural selection thousands of years ago.........are you sure you want it to return. I dont think most do.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
48721 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:54 pm to
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That’s absurdly high, man. Nothing here in the US has rates that high. Not even in NOLA or they’d be over capacity at the moment.


Louisiana is running a hospitalization rate at 20% as of this afternoon.
Posted by reddy tiger
Mandeville
Member since Aug 2012
1602 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:54 pm to
How many “I’m no epidemiologist, but here’s my ignorant opinion” threads do we need? Sit down.

“Those who know the least know it the loudest”.
- astute human
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6031 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:56 pm to
quote:

So, you shouldn't have to take responsibility for a public health issue, but old people should?


We should ban sugar, 80k people die each year from diabetes. It's our responsibility to make sure that they aren't tempted..right?

quote:

According to the CDC, 79,535 deaths occur each year due to diabetes. The number of fatalities related to diabetes may be underreported.


Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59185 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 8:56 pm to
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But we’re conditioned from birth to depend on the govt to save our asses.

actually we have been conditioned to care for those that cant care for themselves, we were endowed with the desire and ability to suffer ourselves to benefit others. Then we choose to live in communities and in close proximity to others, we take office jobs we live in subdivisions and now we think we are frontier people.
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
31283 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:04 pm to
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Anti-vaxxer?

If you want to go down that path, ban the gheys too? Due to their willful behavior with the spread of a much deadlier AIDS?
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:07 pm to
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We should ban sugar, 80k people die each year from diabetes. It's our responsibility to make sure that they aren't tempted..right?


You can't pass sugar into the mouth of a diabetic. Uou can pass coronavirus.

That's why responsibility falls in a broader sense. The diabetic controls their own diet. People have far less personal control over exposure to others. Virus spread is community based, but diabetes lacks that.
Posted by tigerfoot
Alexandria
Member since Sep 2006
59185 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:10 pm to
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We should ban sugar, 80k people die each year from diabetes. It's our responsibility to make sure that they aren't tempted..right?

Why are we constantly building straw men.
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6031 posts
Posted on 3/24/20 at 9:15 pm to
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You can't pass sugar into the mouth of a diabetic. Uou can pass coronavirus.


That's being a little lazy and uncaring.

It's about life! Having sugar as an option is like pouring it into their veins.

Same as skinny models in glamour magazines make anorexics.

"we have a responsibility".
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