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re: Americans Bought Enough Guns on Black Friday to Arm the Marine Corps – Yet Again!
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:45 pm to Chucktown_Badger
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:45 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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That's been mentioned but is far from the only thing that has either been put forward through legislation or put up for conversation.
So what's your solution?
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:47 pm to Centinel
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Thanks for proving my point as to why emotional responses end up fricking everyone and degrading individual liberty.
I disagree, as I feel like going over there and fricking up the terrorist orgs was a success. As were some of the measures that were implemented that prevented other attacks.
I get it...you're of the belief that everyone should get to do everything they want with no restrictions whatsoever. I just happen to find that pretty damn dangerous and unrealistic.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:48 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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we can and should be coming at it from both sides.
No. I'm unwilling to sacrifice individual liberty to appease your sense of "doing something" when it will do nothing to solve the problem.
The answer is to take a hard look as to why people engage in mass killings. But that will raise uncomfortable issues that are not easy to solve. Much easier to ban a tool and get the social media win.
Because short term "solutions" are all that matters. Gotta signal those virtues!
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:51 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I disagree, as I feel like going over there and fricking up the terrorist orgs was a success. As were some of the measures that were implemented that prevented other attacks.
And you're a fool for thinking so. And I say this as a three deployment veteran.
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I get it...you're of the belief that everyone should get to do everything they want with no restrictions whatsoever.
Murder is illegal. Assault is illegal.
Those are restrictions that I am for. I simply don't base my decisions around addressing the how of the crime.
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I just happen to find that pretty damn dangerous and unrealistic.
And I find your willingness to toss individual liberty out the window based on feelings pretty damn dangerous.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:52 pm to Korin
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So what's your solution?
Legislation that makes it consistent at the federal level in terms of vetting people wanting to buy guns or sell them to someone else. Actually giving a shite about the mental health epidemic in our country.
What's yours? I know Centinel doesn't care about gun violence so I won't ask him
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:53 pm to Centinel
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The answer is to take a hard look as to why people engage in mass killings.
So what does that mean and what do we ACTUALLY do?
Another question for you...to what does "liberty" entail to you? Driving a car? Practicing medicine? Law? Flying a plane? Do the requirements to access or do those things infringe on your rights and liberties?
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 6:58 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:54 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I know Centinel doesn't care about gun violence so I won't ask him
You care about gun violence, but why don't you care about knife violence? Blunt weapon violence? Closed fist violence? Bomb violence? Car violence?
It seems like you are just focused on one type of violence.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:55 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Legislation that makes it consistent at the federal level in terms of vetting people wanting to buy guns or sell them to someone else. Actually giving a shite about the mental health epidemic in our country.
What's yours? I know Centinel doesn't care about gun violence so I won't ask him
It's not the guns.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:58 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So what does that mean and what do we ACTUALLY do?
Make murder illegal obviously.
Just until we can get pre-crime working.
Realistically though, nothing. There's a reason why mass killings have increased in the past 20 years. And nothing we can do will change that. We, as a society, have a sick fascination with glorifying mass murder. The quickest way to fame in this country is to shoot up a bunch of kids. If you're a nobody with mental issues, you go from ignored to the focus of an entire nation's attention in five minutes.
There's a reason why a mass shooting committed by a white kid is national news, but if it's by a black kid against other black kids, it doesn't even make the 6pm local.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:00 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Another question for you...to what does "liberty" entail to you? Driving a car? Practicing medicine? Law? Flying a plane? Do the requirements to access or do those things infringe on your rights and liberties?
None of those are found in the Bill of Rights. Keep on with the false equivalencies if you'd like though.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:00 pm to Centinel
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You care about gun violence, but why don't you care about knife violence? Blunt weapon violence? Closed fist violence? Bomb violence? Car violence?
It seems like you are just focused on one type of violence.
Mentioned it earlier in this thread so you either missed or refused to acknowledge it. This is also one of the laziest/dumbest "but muh guns" arguments, btw.
Everything you mentioned has a public benefit, which is its primary reason for existing. Except for bombs, but I can't just walk into walmart and buy bombs. You're all for equal access to bombs by all I assume, yes?
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:01 pm to Centinel
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None of those are found in the Bill of Rights. Keep on with the false equivalencies if you'd like though.
So I'm now confused by your position. You are very much a "give me liberty" type of guy, but you are totally fine with your rights being infringed in many other ways. If you like liberty you should like liberty across the board. Not just one or two things in the bill of rights.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:02 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Everything you mentioned has a public benefit, which is its primary reason for existing.
What is a public benefit, and who defines this?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:04 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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So I'm now confused by your position. You are very much a "give me liberty" type of guy, but you are totally fine with your rights being infringed in many other ways.
Yes, because I've specifically said I'm against all laws.
Don't even go down that fricking road. It's bullshite and you know it.
The bill of rights exist for a reason.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:08 pm to Centinel
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Yes, because I've specifically said I'm against all laws.
Don't even go down that fricking road. It's bullshite and you know it.
The bill of rights exist for a reason.
That's what I'm trying to tease out...if this sense of liberty you have for guns applies to other aspects of your life or if you're just an ardent supporter of your interpretation of the bill of rights. It appears to be the latter.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:09 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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just since 2000 (after those alleged concessions)
They aren’t alleged. They happened. Nothing could have happened in the 90’s that led to some fricked up treatment of children’s mental illness like massive amounts of prepubescent psychiatric drugs, or zero tolerance rules for fighting, or the development of the internet into a place that kids all at once few
More connected yet isolated from society.
Nope, it’s been easy access to guns that already require age limits, back ground checks, and registrations. That has to be it
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:09 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Legislation that makes it consistent at the federal level in terms of vetting people wanting to buy guns or sell them to someone else. Actually giving a shite about the mental health epidemic in our country.
So you want to government that can’t enforce its current laws to pass more laws because “muh that is the answer”? That is flirting with being an idiot.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:10 pm to Centinel
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Homeboy edited his original post. But that's fine, continue to ignore my responses to your other bull shite.
Sure he did. And he used all subsequently.
Keep lying
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:10 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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or if you're just an ardent supporter of your interpretation of the bill of rights
My interpretation? The Bill of Rights is pretty damn clear.
I'm sure you have some examples where I don't support the bill of rights? Since you seem to be implying I'm inconsistent with my beliefs?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 7:10 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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worry about the state of someone who can see coverage of dozens of kids or innocent people getting mowed down
There are other alternatives to this than taking away tools of law abiding citizens.
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