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re: American middle class families must really not be saving any money.

Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:06 pm to
Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
15823 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:06 pm to
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So more than three clicks. And I do have to pay tax penalties on it. Thanks for nothing?


I’ve been using the back door method for serval years now but I never had an IRA to start. I remember trying to do one for my wife but we would have had to covert her IRA to another account and pay taxes on it.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64091 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:06 pm to
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You don't have to pay any tax penalties on rolling a trad ira into a trad 401k


So explain to me how I roll my trad ira into an employer sponsored 401k, then click three times and I have a funded Roth IRA without a tax penalty.
Posted by cheobode
Member since Dec 2017
1168 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:07 pm to
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Damn my insurance on 2 cars is $450 every quarter.
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You dont live in louisiana


I'm paying the same and I live in Louisiana. One owned vehicle and one financed.

Also, my wife and I together don't make six figures and we're comfortable. I don't like putting my business out there but our salaries combined is around 84K. We bought our home in 2005 for $117K. We drive older vehicles. Her car note is $400. Only credit card we have is an Ulta card for her makeup. Two kids in a small private school that isn't too pricey.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Member since Oct 2012
35437 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:08 pm to
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So explain to me how I roll my trad ira into an employer sponsored 401k, then click three times and I have a funded Roth IRA without a tax penalty.




Roll your existing trade IRA balance into your 401k (no tax penalty)

Contribute to the now empty Trad IRA (no tax penalty)

Convert to Roth (no tax penalty)
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64091 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:09 pm to
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I’ve been using the back door method for serval years now but I never had an IRA to start. I remember trying to do one for my wife but we would have had to covert her IRA to another account and pay taxes on it.


Exactly. I have researched the shite out of this, consulted the heralded money-board here, and there's no three-click method to get money into a Roth IRA without getting raped by the IRS on your current holdings, if you already have IRA's.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64091 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:11 pm to
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Roll your existing trade IRA balance into your 401k (no tax penalty)

Contribute to the now empty Trad IRA (no tax penalty)

Convert to Roth (no tax penalty)


So I can take pretax investments and press buttons and turn them into post-tax investments without paying taxes?

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35437 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:11 pm to
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I have researched the shite out of this


Apparently not.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35437 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:12 pm to
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So I can take pretax investments and press buttons and turn them into post-tax investments without paying taxes?



Where does that happen? Be specific.
Posted by PappaSwolio
tGeneral’s Army
Member since Sep 2022
901 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:12 pm to
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Not smart. Cash flow killer.


Agree, I went to school for 8 years, my mindset was I’m buying a car I enjoy driving. Now regretting it. I have a side gig that I can get anywhere from $300-$1000 a month depending how much I put into it. Fixing to dedicate all of that towards paying a vehicle off
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
3809 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:14 pm to
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I have a side gig that I can get anywhere from $300-$1000 a month depending how much I put into it. Fixing to dedicate all of that towards paying a vehicle off




That's awesome. What is your rate?
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
140462 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:15 pm to
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Every middle class neighborhood is $350-$400K. Some places $500K.
gross
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64091 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:28 pm to
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Where does that happen? Be specific.


Re-read your own posts. You were very specific about it.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
14057 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:46 pm to
I pay $50/month for insurance. Then again, I drive a 21 year old car because I don't invest heavily in depreciating assets.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58118 posts
Posted on 3/19/23 at 11:55 pm to
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Not really understanding how the jimmy and joes are making it out here.



That makes two of us.
The wife and I both work, we are empty nesters, make ok money together, have a reasonable mortgage, no car notes, and it’s still hard to save, but I do have a pension.
This post was edited on 3/20/23 at 12:16 am
Posted by PappaSwolio
tGeneral’s Army
Member since Sep 2022
901 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:07 am to
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What is your rate?


Pay rate? I’d rather not say

Got people on here that know who I am lol
Posted by Jenious
Member since Apr 2020
407 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:09 am to
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2 ppl making minimum wage ($15/hr) make $75k/yr


Did someone fail high school math?

15x40x52=$31,200. Times that by two.

Posted by Sterling Archer
Austin
Member since Aug 2012
7327 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:39 am to
I keep thinking about the savings we’ll have when we get our kids from daycare to grade school. It will definitely make things easier.

Between mortgage, daycare, two car notes, and car insurance we’re at $8690 per month
:thisIsFine:
Posted by boddagetta
Moulton
Member since Mar 2011
9999 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:45 am to
I'm spending my children's inheritance.
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
13004 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 12:58 am to
i live very comfortably making between $100k-$150k / yr

how do i do it? living within my means
Posted by Jenious
Member since Apr 2020
407 posts
Posted on 3/20/23 at 1:50 am to
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$8690 per month


Sheeeeeeet. I'm finding that daycare/private school tuition/travel ball is taking up a lot of y'all's income.
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