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re: America ranked #1 in thinking that people are morally bad
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:55 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:55 am to Violent Hip Swivel
The powers at be have worked a long time to further the distrust Americans have for each other so that they are more easily manipulated
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Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:10 am to RobbBobb
That’s assumption stacked on assumption. The poll says nothing about the church attendance of the respondents, so your explanation is just projection dressed up as analysis.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:22 am to Violent Hip Swivel
So our split on this is 47-53?
I seem to remember our fraction of people getting shite from the government is 47%.
My take - cows are famously happy, too, right up until they have one really bad day.
Spanberger in VA just got elected by a majority of people there. Is there a difference between bad and stupid? There is no doubt people are stupid because the Democrat party had not been laughed out of existence.
I seem to remember our fraction of people getting shite from the government is 47%.
My take - cows are famously happy, too, right up until they have one really bad day.
Spanberger in VA just got elected by a majority of people there. Is there a difference between bad and stupid? There is no doubt people are stupid because the Democrat party had not been laughed out of existence.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:50 am to Obtuse1
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Are you suggesting there can be no morals without God, specifically the capital G God AKA YHWH.
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Even if you forego the obvious inclusion of the 10 commandments as a legal foundation, The Code of Hammurabi came with this:
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The stele was rediscovered in 1901 at the site of Susa in present-day Iran. The top of the stele features an image in relief of Hammurabi with Shamash, the Babylonian sun god and god of justice. Below the relief are about 4,130 lines of cuneiform text: one fifth contains a prologue and epilogue in poetic style, while the remaining four fifths contain what are generally called the laws. In the prologue, Hammurabi claims to have been granted his rule by the gods "to prevent the strong from oppressing the weak".
There are no morals without an implicit call to a higher being, throughout human history
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:54 am to Hoops
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Half the country thinks violent crime is ok if the person has the correct skin color
This is the most delusional and special needs comment I've read on here all calendar year.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 9:55 am
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:02 am to Violent Hip Swivel
Just the fact that drag-queen storytime for children became a 'thing' in this country was enough to convince me the nation had reached moral-dregs status.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:24 am to bad93ex
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We have an incredible social safety net here
“Incredible” is relative, and relative to those other nations we have a weak social safety net.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:29 am to Penrod
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“Incredible” is relative, and relative to those other nations we have a weak social safety net.
Do other nations allow their food stamp recipients to buy crab legs?
Posted on 3/6/26 at 11:01 am to Violent Hip Swivel
More than half the country is fine with killing a baby for personal convenience...
And that is true for most of the first world countries. Most of them are way more morally corrupt than they think they are.
And that is true for most of the first world countries. Most of them are way more morally corrupt than they think they are.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 7:05 pm to RobbBobb
Ancient law codes invoking gods proves rulers justified authority through religion. It doesn’t prove morality requires belief in a deity.
Simple question for you, RobbBobb:
Are things good because God commands them, or does God command them because they are good?
Simple question for you, RobbBobb:
Are things good because God commands them, or does God command them because they are good?
Posted on 3/7/26 at 7:06 pm to RoyalWe
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Are things good because God commands them, or does God command them because they are good?
God created all things. With that he gave man free will. And few rules. The Garden of Eden had one rule. Noahs generation didnt even have that one rule
Abraham brought down 10 rules. With those rules, God defined evil. Which means he created both good and evil. Without his rules, men inherently seek evil. God has defined good, and men are free to choose to do good
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And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
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And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
Posted on 3/8/26 at 10:39 am to RobbBobb
Based on how you described it (“God defined good and evil”), you appear to be taking the position that things are good because God commands or defines them. That’s the first horn of the classic Euthyphro dilemma I raised.
The problem with grounding morality purely in commands is that it makes goodness arbitrary. If something is good simply because it is commanded, then logically anything could become good if commanded.
That’s why many Christian philosophers argue something slightly different: that goodness is grounded in God’s nature, not merely in His commands. In that view, God commands things because they reflect His perfectly good nature, not because the command itself creates goodness.
Saying “God defined good by rules” runs straight into that philosophical problem. I'm not trying to score points here—just pointing out that this issue has a long philosophical history and is something many theologians have tried to address.
The problem with grounding morality purely in commands is that it makes goodness arbitrary. If something is good simply because it is commanded, then logically anything could become good if commanded.
That’s why many Christian philosophers argue something slightly different: that goodness is grounded in God’s nature, not merely in His commands. In that view, God commands things because they reflect His perfectly good nature, not because the command itself creates goodness.
Saying “God defined good by rules” runs straight into that philosophical problem. I'm not trying to score points here—just pointing out that this issue has a long philosophical history and is something many theologians have tried to address.
Posted on 3/13/26 at 4:34 pm to bad93ex
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Do other nations allow their food stamp recipients to buy crab legs?
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