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re: Am I the only one struggling to sympathize with celebs and multi-millionaires…
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:17 pm to LNCHBOX
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:17 pm to LNCHBOX
I saw them interview a well healed dressed woman who said she lost both of her houses in LA, so she was leaving for Hawaii. Everyone else I feel for.
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Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:25 pm to The Third Leg
Two things can be true:
This fire would have probably happened no matter what.
Local government was very unprepared to mitigate it, and it would not have been as bad if they had focused on obvious things.
This fire would have probably happened no matter what.
Local government was very unprepared to mitigate it, and it would not have been as bad if they had focused on obvious things.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:26 pm to PenguinNinja
Nothing wrong with not feeling overwhelming sympathy for bad things that happen to people or in places that don't affect you or feel a world away.
I will say though, the notion that some people find it funny or are actually happy this is happening is odd to me. Millionaires or not, it's still their homes, their memories, their pets, etc...
I will say though, the notion that some people find it funny or are actually happy this is happening is odd to me. Millionaires or not, it's still their homes, their memories, their pets, etc...
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:29 pm to N2cars
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That fire moved at incredible speed...
Due to all the fuel that had built up.
I agree once the fire started not much could be done.
But you have to maintain brush and controlled burn, especially knowing the winds and humidity levels you are going to experience.
That takes money and effort. LA/CA spent it on other things.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 12:45 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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Two things can be true: This fire would have probably happened no matter what. Local government was very unprepared to mitigate it, and it would not have been as bad if they had focused on obvious things.
Please stop deluding yourself, read the timeline in Legend’s post, and ask yourself how much you think it would have mattered.
This is apolitical. Trying to politicize this by pretending it could have been so much better if not for liberal incompetence makes you look like a complete jackass to anyone with a brain.
Did they make mistakes? Absolutely. Should the people that chose not to keep that reservoir filled have to answer for it? Certainly. Would any of it really meant much in the way of changed outcomes? No.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:03 pm to The Third Leg
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Would any of it really meant much in the way of changed outcomes? No.
Pre-work on clearing Brush and controlled burning would have fixed that.
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By 1:46pm the fire had crossed Palisades Drive (a major highway that would have served as a fire break if dealing with a "normal fire").
Palisades Drive is bordered by brushland.
Fires go with Fuel, it would not have jumped the highway as easily if the brush had been cleared back. Check google maps if you don't believe me.
You can't pretend that the basic fire prevention strategies have no effect.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:35 pm to The Third Leg
Fire breaks, back burning, and clearing under growth definitely reduce threats to populated areas but keep carrying that baggage for incompetent liberal leadership.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 1:54 pm to Narax
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Fires go with Fuel
But for the 70+ mph winds carrying embers, genius.
ETA: Very early on there were reports of wind-driven embers being blown more than a mile and half downwind of the fire. Palisades drive is a half mile as the crow flies from the location of the first fire report, and the first homes that were impacted. That fire crossed Palisades drive without ever being on the ground near it.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:10 pm to GetMeOutOfHere
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Local government was very unprepared to mitigate it, and it would not have been as bad if they had focused on obvious things.
Its going to be hard to protect people who keep building in fireprone areas.
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Most of the Santa Monica Mountains has burned at least once since fires began to be documented in the
early 1900s. Some areas have burned as many as seven times.
LINK
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:11 pm to LegendInMyMind
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But for the 70+ mph winds carrying embers, genius.
Again, embers are much more likely to spark an object that is highly flammable such as dry grass (Flashpoint of ~500F) Wood has the same flashpoint, but the wood has to be raised to that temperature.
The larger mass of wood in structures and trees means that they are far less vulnerable to embers vs dry brush with low mass.
70 mph winds are dangerous, but you can't ignore the failure to create and maintain firebreaks.
You aren't being realistic.
ETA.
You are talking about embers that land in a ready fuel source. The odds that the embers jumped the entire highway valley and happened to land only on buildings or large vegetation is near zero.
It's a high fire area, so the lack of preparedness is criminal.
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:30 pm to The Third Leg
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Did they make mistakes? Absolutely. Should the people that chose not to keep that reservoir filled have to answer for it? Certainly. Would any of it really meant much in the way of changed outcomes? No.
Why would they have to answer for it if it didn't make a difference? You're trying to have your cake and eat it to.
Oh, and go frick yourself.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:37 pm to Narax
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70 mph winds are dangerous, but you can't ignore the failure to create and maintain firebreaks.
You aren't being realistic.
There was fire pretty close to where this one started, in the same general area, back on New Year's Eve. Reckon why it didn't blow up and spread so rapidly, being contained without causing issue to structures? Wonder what was different on those two days/nights?
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:43 pm to LegendInMyMind
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There was fire pretty close to where this one started, in the same general area, back on New Year's Eve. Reckon why it didn't blow up and spread so rapidly, being contained without causing issue to structures? Wonder what was different on those two days/nights?
You are avoiding my point.
Yes once you have a lack of preparedness as soon as you get a high wind day it's all going to go up like a tinderbox.
But you still cannot keep maintaining that doing fire preparedness, maintaining firebreaks, clearing brush, controlled burning on non red flag days would have mad no effect.
If you live in an area that is prone to red flag days then you want your locality to be doing the preparedness.
Else you are just playing Russian Roulette with the wind.
note: I really don't get it, people down voting fire preparedness and saying it doesn't matter.
Sad Smokey the Bear...
This post was edited on 1/12/25 at 2:50 pm
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:49 pm to Narax
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You are avoiding my point.
You're doing the same.
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:51 pm to PenguinNinja
I don't feel bad for that Jackas$, Victor of Young and The Restless.
He jumped on the CNN set and called Trump the "Orange Idiot".
He jumped on the CNN set and called Trump the "Orange Idiot".
Posted on 1/12/25 at 2:53 pm to LegendInMyMind
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You're doing the same.
I agreed with you that once you have the conditions on the ground, the reservoir issue is a moot point.
What I disagree with is your claim that the fire would be just as bad if they had done the brush clearing exercises that are common in High Risk areas.
You are locked and loaded on this idea that nothing could have been done.
And that's just not true.
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