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re: Alleged video of Ahmaud Arbery shooting leaks
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:09 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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It looks like his first choice was to jog around them. I doubt he assumed they even had guns.
Maybe, but one of them had a shotgun, right? Kind of hard to conceal that. And I assume the guy with the shotgun is the one on the ground because I don't see it with the guy in the truck bed.
Watch the video again. The first shot is fired by the guy on the ground as Ahmaud is running at him directly.
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Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:11 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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What if he was schizophrenic and off his meds? That would explain the abnormal behavior.
Of course. What's your point? Once again, I never said anyone should have to be subjected to making that choice.
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The above scenario is exactly why random citizens shouldn’t be going around pulling weapons on people trying to arrest them.
I agree with you.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:12 pm to GeorgeTheGreek
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You sound educated.
You showed the opposite. I have read many of your post over the years and was surprised I was in a confrontation with you.
Sad thing is I agreed with you guys.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:12 pm to SUB
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The first shot is fired by the guy on the ground as Ahmaud is running at him directly.
You're kidding right? Running at him directly?
He went around the passenger side of the vehicle...
The dude on the ground with the shotgun stepped in his path.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:16 pm to SUB
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What's your point? Once again, I never said anyone should have to be subjected to making that choice.
You insinuated that he is dead because of something he did or didn’t do.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:20 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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You insinuated that he is dead because of something he did or didn’t do.
You are reading into it too much. I was just spelling out what I think happened. He had choices. He chose one course of action and got shot. I was not implying that he 100% would not have been shot if he made another choice. I also don't think survival odds are the same for every choice.
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:20 pm to Chicken
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Did he live in the neighborhood where he was jogging?
Watch out Chicken, I asked such questions and was instantly labeled a racist, Klansman, coward, and defending my redneck buddies.
I doubt they will call you that of course.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:22 pm to Displaced
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You're kidding right? Running at him directly?
He went around the passenger side of the vehicle...
The dude on the ground with the shotgun stepped in his path.
Not kidding. Watch again. It's hard to tell if he "stepped in his path." Either way, Ahmaud made a turn and ventured across the front of the car toward the man on the ground just before he was shot. I believe you can see Ahmaud grab the shotgun if you look close (after the first shot).
This post was edited on 5/6/20 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:24 pm to WaWaWeeWa
quote:Same thought I had.
I’ll say this, why was the guy holding his phone and filming before the truck was visible in the road. Something happened before this video started that we didn’t see.
Not sure if this is the answer, but just throwing it out there.
Supposedly the shooter said they confronted the victim before, and he turned around and ran the other way to get away from them. Maybe there was an altercation or words thrown out or something that the driver saw, so he pulled out his phone then began following the situation. Just an idea, no clue what the real answer is.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:24 pm to arkyhawk
quote:suspicions that he was the burlgar...were there surveillance video showing a black person robbing these homes? what was stolen?
What suspicions?
Did they case this guy over time and determine he was the one that was burglarizing the homes?
of course, his death doesn't appear to be justified...just trying to figure out what in the world these white guys knew or what they were thinking that made them confront this guy.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:27 pm to AndyCBR
quote:I get what you're saying but you shouldn't get to claim self defense when the other person is actually using self defense to protect themselves.
Now once a fight for control of the shotgun starts then one could claim they are in fear for their life and make an argument for lethal force.
These dudes have walked for 2 months since this shooting because they were "protecting" themselves from a fake crime, and the dude died for trying to protect himself from a real crime. That's some bullshite.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:28 pm to Chicken
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.just trying to figure out what in the world these white guys knew or what they were thinking that made them confront this guy.
My guess is that they thought he was a burglar and they decided to take the law in their own hands without realizing that the situation can go south really fast.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:28 pm to SUB
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Either way, Ahmaud made a turn and ventured across the front of the car toward the man on the ground just before he was shot.
The first shot is fired as Arbery reaches the front of the pickup. He clearly seems to have seen the dude pointing the shotgun at him and gone for him.
The original video is age restricted now, so I can't post a time link, but the first shot is clearly fired before Arbery gets too close.
When Arbery goes around the passenger's side, dude should not point the shotgun at him. As posted earlier, it's dicey for an actual police officer to draw down on him, let alone some rando who thinks he's a cop.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:30 pm to SUB
quote:sure, but what evidence did they have that led them to confront that guy? has anything come out about that?
My guess is that they thought he was a burglar and they decided to take the law in their own hands without realizing that the situation can go south really fast.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:36 pm to Rep520
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The first shot is fired as Arbery reaches the front of the pickup.
Unless my audio is out of sync, that first shot is fired just before he makes contact with the man on the ground. Yes, he was in front of the truck. It's a 0:20 in the video.
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but the first shot is clearly fired before Arbery gets too close.
What is "too close"? He makes physical contact with the man and has his hands on the shotgun less than a second after the shot...Once again, I'm not justifying anyone's actions.
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When Arbery goes around the passenger's side, dude should not point the shotgun at him. As posted earlier, it's dicey for an actual police officer to draw down on him, let alone some rando who thinks he's a cop.
I agree with you.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:38 pm to Chicken
quote:this is where we are all breaking out our Jump to Conclusions Mat.
sure, but what evidence did they have that led them to confront that guy? has anything come out about that?
It's scary to think that due to the police ties, this would have just faded into nothing had the video not been released. It would have been justified to make it self defense and chalked up as a whoopsie.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:42 pm to Chicken
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sure, but what evidence did they have that led them to confront that guy? has anything come out about that?
they said they saw him walking around a construction site
thats it
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:43 pm to Chicken
Here is a video on YouTube with the family lawyer, it might answer some questions. It might not.
Family lawyer talking about Arbery shooting
Family lawyer talking about Arbery shooting
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:46 pm to Displaced
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It's scary to think that due to the police ties, this would have just faded into nothing had the video not been released. It would have been justified to make it self defense and chalked up as a whoopsie.
With the dad being a retired investigator for the DA (at least I believe that is what I've seen his role in law enforcement was), I'm kind of surprised this video ever even made it out to the public.
Posted on 5/6/20 at 2:48 pm to Chicken
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suspicions that he was the burlgar...were there surveillance video showing a black person robbing these homes? what was stolen?
Did they case this guy over time and determine he was the one that was burglarizing the homes?
Once you leave that property, the burglary part of it is irrelevant. That’s just straight up murder even if he was the robber
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