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re: Algiers pastor faces attempted manslaughter for shooting copper thieves
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:39 am to undrafted
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:39 am to undrafted
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I think burglary should be punishable by death so I completely agree with this...
This is the dumbest argument and it comes up every time. If the guy didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have tried to steal the AC.
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Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:40 am to SSpaniel
Looks like the "Pastor" sure was getting some good money in the collection baskets by the vehicle he is in.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:41 am to OleWar
Unless you have fear of bodily harm, you can't shoot people. You especially can't shoot people running away (outside of Texas).
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:42 am to YouAre8Up
that's nothing Creflo Dollar, got his 'flock' to buy him a G650 Jet.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:42 am to ProjectP2294
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If the guy didn't want to get shot, he shouldn't have tried to steal the AC.
This. Actions have consequences. Think about what you are doing before you steal somebody AC for 50 bucks worth of copper so you can feed your meth/crack habit.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:49 am to Jcorye1
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Unless you have fear of bodily harm, you can't shoot people. You especially can't shoot people running away (outside of Texas).
Lots of "law n order" types in this thread don't seem to have too much respect for the actual law themselves.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:52 am to Big Scrub TX
Black on black....nothing to see here.
j/k..........maybe
j/k..........maybe
Posted on 6/10/15 at 10:52 am to jbgleason
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Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1 (1985)[1], was a case in which the Supreme Court of the United States held that, under the Fourth Amendment, when a law enforcement officer is pursuing a fleeing suspect, he or she may not use deadly force to prevent escape unless "the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."
So someone who just committed an act of violence no longer has the capacity to commit another act of violence against the pursing officer or the public?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:15 am to junkfunky
What act of violence? Stealing copper from an AC unit and driving away?
Sorry but I don't see a world where people just open up on someone leaving because they think they committed a crime as a good idea. If the guy is shooting over his shoulder or running to get behind a position of cover to shoot at you, OK. But not driving away from a theft.
Sorry but I don't see a world where people just open up on someone leaving because they think they committed a crime as a good idea. If the guy is shooting over his shoulder or running to get behind a position of cover to shoot at you, OK. But not driving away from a theft.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:22 am to OleWar
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I base it on this, in wartime it is perfectly legal to fire on a retreating or routed enemy, the assumption being that if they are not destroyed or neutralized, they will be able to regroup and continue fighting
Not sure if trolling or just that off base.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:26 am to Dizz
You're all missing the highlight of this story...dude pulled off 2 head shots on a moving target. That's skill
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:26 am to jbgleason
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But not driving away from a theft.
How do you know he's not driving around the church to sneak up behind the pastor and run him over? You don't. So we err on the side of well... the non-criminal. Or the thief could have spun around quickly and run over the pastor.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:30 am to SSpaniel
And that is why we have a court system. If the shooter can state articulable facts as to why the person running away was a threat then it is a good shoot.
But, "he stole my shite so I shot him in the back", doesn't cut it. Strong case law on this.
But, "he stole my shite so I shot him in the back", doesn't cut it. Strong case law on this.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:35 am to SSpaniel
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What's the problem? Idiots shouldn't have been trying to steal his A/C for what... 60 bucks worth of copper? The pastor should be given a medal, not arrested.
It's not "his A/C". It's the church's. They did nothing to the pastor. And no you can't shoot a dude in the head multiple times while he's fleeing just because you saw him attempting to commit petty theft.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to jbgleason
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If the shooter can state articulable facts as to why the person running away was a threat then it is a good shoot.
That's when he better have a dang good lawyer.
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But, "he stole my shite so I shot him in the back", doesn't cut it. Strong case law on this.
I actually know this, but isn't it much more fun to say "kill the thief, he stole my AC and now I'm hot, and besides... he deserves it"?
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:36 am to jbgleason
That's why you shoot before they run off and make the body disappear if you don't have witnesses.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 11:38 am to gthog61
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That's why you shoot before they run off and make the body disappear if you don't have witnesses.
Or, if you do shoot them in the back, turn them around and shoot directly through the hole, only from the front. Makes it look like they were coming right for you. Saw it in a movie, so it must work.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:20 pm to jbgleason
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But, "he stole my shite so I shot him in the back", doesn't cut it. Strong case law on this
So far I have a Supreme Court Decision from 1985- This isn't like Magna Carta or U.S. Constitution. It seems like both historical American and Western norms run counter to this.
Posted on 6/10/15 at 12:28 pm to OleWar
These cases are usually nullified by the jury...we'll see what happens to this fellow.
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