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re: Alexander the great vs Genghis Khan

Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:15 pm to
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:15 pm to
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it took the Mongols hundreds of years to build that empire. Alexander conquered half that in less than a decade


Yo.... Look down... Your ignorance is showing.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
15996 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:17 pm to
I think a big key that most are overlooking is the numbers game. One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even. And let's not act like Alexander didn't know how to attack a faster army
Posted by LSUtigerME
Walker, LA
Member since Oct 2012
3789 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:17 pm to
OP doesn’t like people disagreeing with him.

Khan wins.
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
15996 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:19 pm to
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Light cav is the answer to heavy cav. You realize this right? Heavy horse was used against infantry as a means of punching a hole. Not as an anti horse unit.
yes and you realize that Alexander had experience fighting light cavalry right? The Persian cavalry was made up almost entirely of it.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37237 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:21 pm to
quote:

I think a big key that most are overlooking is the numbers game. One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even. And let's not act like Alexander didn't know how to attack a faster army




This. If we're talking straight even numbers, Alexander gets a slight edge.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34935 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even.


Bzzsssttttt. Wrong again.

The real advantage to the Mongols was the newly created feigned flight tactic as well as the sheer ability of the horse archers with their compound bows.

Feigned flight had never before been used as a major tactic in warfare until the Mongols. And that tactic is what made them so effective.

And this tactic would have absolutely destroyed the Macedonians in any terrain they could maneuver in. The heavy horse would tire. The heavy infantry and the phalanx that the Macedonians utilized so well would absolutely crumble.

Do you know anything at all about ancient war tactics?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:23 pm to
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Do you know anything at all about ancient war tactics?



a couple of more comments like that and we're moving this to the soccer board
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34935 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:24 pm to
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yes and you realize that Alexander had experience fighting light cavalry right?


Sigh. He has experience with light CQ Horse. Aka scout horses that fought with sword/spear.

Good ole baw Alexander had zero experience with the feigned flight or sheer talent of the Mongo horse archers.

You're quite literally comparing apples and oranges in terms of what horse Alexander faced and the horse that the Mongols utilized.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34935 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:26 pm to
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a couple of more comments like that and we're moving this to the soccer board


eat a bag of dicks. Ancient warfare and history is interesting af to me.

Soccer is just softcore gay porn. No where near comparable
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by Hawgnsincebirth55
Gods country
Member since Sep 2016
15996 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:28 pm to
quote:

Ancient warfare and history is interesting af to me.
same even if we disagree I love the debate
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:28 pm to


By a wide margin...on top of the fact he sired progenstors of a large portion of all Asians today, that's a win
Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:30 pm to
Why isn't Hannibal on here?

Sure he's not great at end game strategy, but his battle tactics were superior
Posted by jmh5724
Member since Jan 2012
2128 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:31 pm to
I always thought the Mongols were slightly overrated. Sure, they had a large empire based on land. But most of it was vast emptiness and they never could penetrate the higher populated regions of Europe, India or China
Posted by Phat Phil
Krispy Kreme
Member since May 2010
7372 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:34 pm to
Phalanx went obsolete by Roman legion. 1500 year difference between Alexander and the Mongols.
Genghis beats all armies in world history until the use of firearms in warfare.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98125 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:37 pm to
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newly created feigned flight tactic


The pharaohs used that tactic and it was old then. It worked because most ancient armies were a part time rabble who lacked the discipline to stand their ground. Alexander's mercenaries were a different story.
Posted by Gr8t8s
Member since Oct 2009
2579 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:39 pm to
Wait, you realize that they basically held all of China and defeated what was essentially 2 of the highest population centers in the world, right? And killed some 20-80 million people. I don’t think overrated is the word you were looking for.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83394 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:40 pm to
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It's impossible to say because terrain would be vital to the outcome.
Who wins if they fight on a giant frozen lake?
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
34935 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:41 pm to
quote:

always thought the Mongols were slightly overrated


Not. At. All.
quote:

But most of it was vast emptiness and they never could penetrate the higher populated regions of Europe, India or China


Uh.... What? LINK
Baghdad falls. The center of the Islamic faith. Destroyed untold amounts of knowledge and innovation with the destruction of the Baghdad library.

He also was the first to conquer China as an outside force with the defeat of the Jin dynasty, Western Xia, the Dali Kingdom and the Southern Song. LINK


So...You were saying?
Posted by junior
baton rouge
Member since Mar 2005
2245 posts
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:42 pm to
compound bows.

He could kill the Greeks and remain out of their range. They couldn't touch them unless he was outmaneuvered into a dumbass trap. Its doubtful Khan would fall like Varro at Cannae.

Again, it was 1500 years later. The Greek phalanx couldn't beat the Romans much less the Mongols.
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