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re: Alexander the great vs Genghis Khan
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:15 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:15 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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it took the Mongols hundreds of years to build that empire. Alexander conquered half that in less than a decade
Yo.... Look down... Your ignorance is showing.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:17 pm to beerJeep
I think a big key that most are overlooking is the numbers game. One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even. And let's not act like Alexander didn't know how to attack a faster army
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
OP doesn’t like people disagreeing with him.
Khan wins.
Khan wins.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:19 pm to beerJeep
quote:yes and you realize that Alexander had experience fighting light cavalry right? The Persian cavalry was made up almost entirely of it.
Light cav is the answer to heavy cav. You realize this right? Heavy horse was used against infantry as a means of punching a hole. Not as an anti horse unit.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:21 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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I think a big key that most are overlooking is the numbers game. One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even. And let's not act like Alexander didn't know how to attack a faster army
This. If we're talking straight even numbers, Alexander gets a slight edge.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:22 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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One of the Mongols biggest strengths was the horde. The sheer numbers would help them overrun people but in this scenario the numbers are even.
Bzzsssttttt. Wrong again.
The real advantage to the Mongols was the newly created feigned flight tactic as well as the sheer ability of the horse archers with their compound bows.
Feigned flight had never before been used as a major tactic in warfare until the Mongols. And that tactic is what made them so effective.
And this tactic would have absolutely destroyed the Macedonians in any terrain they could maneuver in. The heavy horse would tire. The heavy infantry and the phalanx that the Macedonians utilized so well would absolutely crumble.
Do you know anything at all about ancient war tactics?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:23 pm to beerJeep
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Do you know anything at all about ancient war tactics?
a couple of more comments like that and we're moving this to the soccer board
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:24 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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yes and you realize that Alexander had experience fighting light cavalry right?
Sigh. He has experience with light CQ Horse. Aka scout horses that fought with sword/spear.
Good ole baw Alexander had zero experience with the feigned flight or sheer talent of the Mongo horse archers.
You're quite literally comparing apples and oranges in terms of what horse Alexander faced and the horse that the Mongols utilized.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:26 pm to 777Tiger
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a couple of more comments like that and we're moving this to the soccer board
eat a bag of dicks. Ancient warfare and history is interesting af to me.
Soccer is just softcore gay porn. No where near comparable
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:28 pm to beerJeep
quote:same even if we disagree I love the debate
Ancient warfare and history is interesting af to me.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:28 pm to beerJeep
By a wide margin...on top of the fact he sired progenstors of a large portion of all Asians today, that's a win
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:30 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Why isn't Hannibal on here?
Sure he's not great at end game strategy, but his battle tactics were superior
Sure he's not great at end game strategy, but his battle tactics were superior
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:31 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
I always thought the Mongols were slightly overrated. Sure, they had a large empire based on land. But most of it was vast emptiness and they never could penetrate the higher populated regions of Europe, India or China
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:34 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Phalanx went obsolete by Roman legion. 1500 year difference between Alexander and the Mongols.
Genghis beats all armies in world history until the use of firearms in warfare.
Genghis beats all armies in world history until the use of firearms in warfare.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:37 pm to beerJeep
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newly created feigned flight tactic
The pharaohs used that tactic and it was old then. It worked because most ancient armies were a part time rabble who lacked the discipline to stand their ground. Alexander's mercenaries were a different story.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:39 pm to jmh5724
Wait, you realize that they basically held all of China and defeated what was essentially 2 of the highest population centers in the world, right? And killed some 20-80 million people. I don’t think overrated is the word you were looking for.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:40 pm to Duke
quote:Who wins if they fight on a giant frozen lake?
It's impossible to say because terrain would be vital to the outcome.
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:41 pm to jmh5724
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always thought the Mongols were slightly overrated
Not. At. All.
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But most of it was vast emptiness and they never could penetrate the higher populated regions of Europe, India or China
Uh.... What? LINK
Baghdad falls. The center of the Islamic faith. Destroyed untold amounts of knowledge and innovation with the destruction of the Baghdad library.
He also was the first to conquer China as an outside force with the defeat of the Jin dynasty, Western Xia, the Dali Kingdom and the Southern Song. LINK
So...You were saying?
Posted on 11/22/17 at 1:42 pm to jmh5724
compound bows.
He could kill the Greeks and remain out of their range. They couldn't touch them unless he was outmaneuvered into a dumbass trap. Its doubtful Khan would fall like Varro at Cannae.
Again, it was 1500 years later. The Greek phalanx couldn't beat the Romans much less the Mongols.
He could kill the Greeks and remain out of their range. They couldn't touch them unless he was outmaneuvered into a dumbass trap. Its doubtful Khan would fall like Varro at Cannae.
Again, it was 1500 years later. The Greek phalanx couldn't beat the Romans much less the Mongols.
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