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re: Alex Jones is on the hook for nearly $1 billion dollars to Sandy Hook families
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:44 pm to sicboy
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:44 pm to sicboy
This is Alex Jones level conspiracy you loons have been running with since those grannies made AOC pee her panties.
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Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:45 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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As predicted, there are “Alex was onto something!” a-holes coming out of the woodwork
Joe Biden (and thousands of others) told this lie 5 years before he voted to invade a country based on a lie. At the time, he was the highest ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. How many lives did that lie cost us? What should have happened to someone whose lies were that costly? Did you want him punished? Of course not! You voted for him for President!
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At a 1998 Senate hearing, Biden argued that “taking this son of a — taking Saddam down” was the only way to guarantee Iraq’s disarmament.
Former Vice President Joe Biden this week continued to maintain the fiction that he stood against the war in Iraq “the very moment” it began in 2003. The claim has been easily taken apart by fact checkers — Biden publicly supported the war before, during, and after the invasion — but a 1998 Senate hearing sheds additional light on his determination to confront Iraq over weapons of mass destruction.
Biden told Ritter that no matter how thorough the inspections, the only way to eliminate the threat was to remove Saddam Hussein. “The primary policy is to keep sanctions in place to deny Saddam the billions of dollars that would allow him to really crank up his program, which neither you nor I believe he’s ever going to abandon as long as he’s in place,” Biden said, characterizing former President Bill Clinton’s administration’s policy.
“You and I believe, and many of us believe here, as long as Saddam is at the helm, there is no reasonable prospect you or any other inspector is ever going to be able to guarantee that we have rooted out, root and branch, the entirety of Saddam’s program relative to weapons of mass destruction. You and I both know, and all of us here really know, and it’s a thing we have to face, that the only way, the only way we’re going to get rid of Saddam Hussein is we’re going to end up having to start it alone — start it alone — and it’s going to require guys like you in uniform to be back on foot in the desert taking this son of a — taking Saddam down,” Biden said. “You know it and I know it.”
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:47 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
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This is Alex Jones level conspiracy you loons have been running with since those grannies made AOC pee her panties.
I didn't post from a blog, buddy.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:48 pm to SCLibertarian
What an awful fricking comparison
Grow up, bub.
Grow up, bub.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
How much was punitive? Texas trial amount was mostly punitive which is being reviewed by the judge this month.
I just don’t agree with punitive damages in general with civil lawsuits especially when using preponderance of the evidence standard like I think is used in Connecticut.
Either standard criminal or civil fines/punishments can be levied against the defendant due to the misconduct or they can’t. Punishing defendant should be along lines of standard amount as listed criminal and/or civil fines, always require more than a preponderance of evidence to do so if not a separate criminal trial, and not be awarded to plaintiffs who have already been compensated or to their attorneys unless it’s their billed hourly rate total for punitive work when partnering with DA or AG offices (billing rates should be standard for attorneys for all damages and not taking 30% or more).
I just have a hard time thinking 8 families and 1 FBI agent were damaged by almost a billion dollars by a conspiracy theorist like Jones pushing another conspiracy theory on website, podcast, or radio (can’t remember exactly) and backing off with prior suits filed before these filed in 2018 (combined into one later). Why would moving to Washington stop a decade of harassment as one family stated (and lawsuit filed 6 years after shootings so moved after filing or harassment continued after move). It seems like moving was more getting away regardless, and lawsuit seems to coincide with other stuff going against Jones more than him still pushing that crap. Maybe his own lawyer messed up, but once saying shootings happened before lawsuits and in the trial itself it seems like court would have to move onto proof his words actually directly incited actual damage to families with maybe some leeway but not what almost seemed like would be used in the trial against the shooter. Testimony seemed to reflect that pain and anger of shootings more than being harassed later or include a lot of proof on harassment.
Most of any alleged “impressions” were negative against Jones much less the 550 million the attorney threw out in pushing huge judgement.
I just don’t agree with punitive damages in general with civil lawsuits especially when using preponderance of the evidence standard like I think is used in Connecticut.
Either standard criminal or civil fines/punishments can be levied against the defendant due to the misconduct or they can’t. Punishing defendant should be along lines of standard amount as listed criminal and/or civil fines, always require more than a preponderance of evidence to do so if not a separate criminal trial, and not be awarded to plaintiffs who have already been compensated or to their attorneys unless it’s their billed hourly rate total for punitive work when partnering with DA or AG offices (billing rates should be standard for attorneys for all damages and not taking 30% or more).
I just have a hard time thinking 8 families and 1 FBI agent were damaged by almost a billion dollars by a conspiracy theorist like Jones pushing another conspiracy theory on website, podcast, or radio (can’t remember exactly) and backing off with prior suits filed before these filed in 2018 (combined into one later). Why would moving to Washington stop a decade of harassment as one family stated (and lawsuit filed 6 years after shootings so moved after filing or harassment continued after move). It seems like moving was more getting away regardless, and lawsuit seems to coincide with other stuff going against Jones more than him still pushing that crap. Maybe his own lawyer messed up, but once saying shootings happened before lawsuits and in the trial itself it seems like court would have to move onto proof his words actually directly incited actual damage to families with maybe some leeway but not what almost seemed like would be used in the trial against the shooter. Testimony seemed to reflect that pain and anger of shootings more than being harassed later or include a lot of proof on harassment.
Most of any alleged “impressions” were negative against Jones much less the 550 million the attorney threw out in pushing huge judgement.
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The figure, he said, would represent the more than 550 million online impressions Jones’ Sandy Hook lie allegedly received online.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:49 pm to Taxing Authority
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Yep. They've basically sentenced him to slavery.
They say that the U.S.A. has no debtor prisons.
But really, we are at a point where the state is ruining someone for unpopular beliefs and opinions.
Jesus got the same treatment from the Pharisees.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
This is an incredibly laughable verdict that will be significantly reduced on appeal (provided Alex Jones actually gets competent representation). The man's a freaking quack and the vast majority of the shite he has to say is absolute garbage. However, that all being said, there is no way he should be forced to pay nearly $1 billion in damages for peddling a zany conspiracy theory while the banks lost less than $70 million in lawsuits in the aftermath of the 2008 financial crisis.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:50 pm to TrueTiger
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the state is ruining someone for unpopular beliefs and opinions. Jesus got he same treatment from the Pharisees
Welp, we’ve hit rock bottom in this thread. Nothing is topping this shite.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:51 pm to TheFlyingTiger
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It wasn't even a campaign. It was a few comments that they've never let die even after he apologized etc...
Without having read all 20 pages, a few things here:
1. It was way more than a few comments, as the parents demonstrated in court. And it was way over the line.. calling parents out by name, saying their children didn’t die, calling them paid actors etc. when you know that it’s not true is defamation.
2. His apology tour coincidentally started right about the same time the lawsuits were filed.
Alex Jones is a POS. I think some of these punitive judgements are pretty ridiculous (if for no other reason than the fact that they simply won’t be paid) but he did everything he could to earn it.
And I think one of the things about the punitive judgements against Alex Jones, in particular, that goes overlooked is that he profited off of his defamation. Determining exactly how much is obviously close to impossible, but the point of punitive damages in a case like this is to prevent a scenario where Jones defames someone and it’s worth it because of the exposure/clicks.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:52 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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What an awful fricking comparison
One lie killed half a million people and made a small number of politically connected people filthy rich. The other didn't result in any fatalities and made a small number of people filthy rich. I agree that they aren't comparable, as the former is far worse than the latter. You are proof that lies from "respectable" establishment types are acceptable, even if they cause far more harm than lies from just ordinary crazy people.
This post was edited on 10/12/22 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 10/12/22 at 8:59 pm to SCLibertarian
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What should have happened to someone whose lies were that costly? Did you want him punished?
It would be dope if we actually did punish Iraq War supporters.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:00 pm to crazy4lsu
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It would be dope if we actually did punish Iraq War supporters.
But you’re the modern day equivalent of that.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:05 pm to OMLandshark
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But you’re the modern day equivalent of that
Lol, I didn’t support Russia invading you dipshit. Again, you try to make equivocations that make no sense because you can’t seem to grasp certain, simple facts.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:06 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Nothing is topping this shite.
Do I win the most extreme award?
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 pm to dallastigers
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How much was punitive?
I tried to lead a dim poster earlier in the thread to this answer. It is apparently all compensatory.
LINK
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 pm to crazy4lsu
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Again, you try to make equivocations that make no sense because you can’t seem to grasp certain, simple facts.
He has autism. Go easy on him.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 pm to crazy4lsu
Says the Zelensky bot 
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
I just came out of my cave and not up to speed on this subject, but is it against the law to have your own opinion about anything and publicly state that opinion, whether it is true or not?
I think I'm referring to freedom of speech.
What gives here...please enlighten me.
I think I'm referring to freedom of speech.
What gives here...please enlighten me.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:11 pm to Displaced
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:Ideclarebankruptcy:
I don't know if it's been mentioned in this thread yet, but I asked a friend today who is a lawyer about this situation, and apparently he can't avoid the damages by declaring bankruptcy.
Alex Jones is in some serious hot water. He needs to hope that he can appeal and get the damages down, because he is forever ruined if these stick.
Posted on 10/12/22 at 9:13 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
Uh oh, now this little man wants in. Have you been keeping up with the war?
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