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Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:11 pm to NATidefan
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Supposedly they were in the process of getting a shot of him pointing the gun at the camera. In between while trying to get the lighting right he was practicing and that's when he pointed it their direction and fired.
Practicing doesn't involve pointing a loaded weapon at a woman and pulling the trigger. Which is what he did.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:14 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Practicing doesn't involve pointing a loaded weapon at a woman and pulling the trigger. Which is what he did.
There are safety protocols in films that are there to ensure loaded weapons are never available. The fact that these protocols were obviously and apparently blatantly ignored by the armorer and the production studio (which I believe is Alec Baldwin) are why he is and should be charged.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:15 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Practicing doesn't involve pointing a loaded weapon at a woman and pulling the trigger. Which is what he did
Not saying it does, just they were doing a scene.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:16 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
He is a douche but was it reasonable for him to believe the gun was unsafe? I don’t know the details but I assumed guns on set used blanks and that they were all maintained by an expert of some kind.
Maybe there was something unofficial about the gun that put some onus on him to verify?
Maybe there was something unofficial about the gun that put some onus on him to verify?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:17 pm to BeepNode
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He is a douche but was it reasonable for him to believe the gun was unsafe? I don’t know the details but I assumed guns on set used blanks and that they were all maintained by an expert of some kind. Maybe there was something unofficial about the gun that put some onus on him to verify?
I suggest reading the thread. A lot of details peppered throughout it that make Baldwin look much worse than I originally thought in all of this.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:17 pm to imjustafatkid
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He deserves more than that, but at least he's being charged with something
Agreed, it’s more than I expected. But he should be charged with negligent homicide, he did pull the trigger.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:19 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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There are safety protocols in films that are there to ensure loaded weapons are never available. The fact that these protocols were obviously and apparently blatantly ignored by the armorer and the production studio (which I believe is Alec Baldwin) are why he is and should be charged.
The most basic and fundamental safety protocol, something you learn in grade school, is never point a loaded weapon at something you don't intend to kill. He deliberately pointed a loaded weapon at Halyna Hutchins and pulled the trigger on purpose. I don't see how these facts can be disputed in a court of law where he isn't held responsible for her death.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:19 pm to cable
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Those aren't dummy rounds - I have dummy rounds for my shotgun - those are blanks
What's not a dummy round? This?
Yeah those are blanks.
Dummy rounds in the industry (movies) look like live rounds. They have the lead tip. However, they contain no gun powder and the primer in the back is inert. Generally speaking, live rounds are never on set except for rare occasions for educational shows that are actually filming on a gun range
Dummy rounds for average people look like this
You think they use orange tip dummy rounds in movies to look like real bullets in a revolver?
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:21 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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The most basic and fundamental safety protocol, something you learn in grade school, is never point a loaded weapon at something you don't intend to kill.
Are you going to continue to portend that finding your parents gun in the dresser drawer or taking the gun out the gun safe is the same as filming a shooting scene in a movie?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:21 pm to NATidefan
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Not saying it does, just they were doing a scene.
They weren't doing a scene, and they weren't rehearsing a scene. He was fricking around with a loaded weapon on set.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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Are you going to continue to portend that finding your parents gun in the dresser drawer or taking the gun out the gun safe is the same as filming a shooting scene in a movie?
This made up scenario of yours has nothing to do with what happened on set when Alec Baldwin pointed a loaded weapon at a woman and pulled the trigger.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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They weren't doing a scene, and they weren't rehearsing a scene. He was fricking around with a loaded weapon on set.
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B-camera operator Reid Russell was situated on a camera dolly, looking at a monitor with Hutchins and Souza both nearby. The scene involved Baldwin's character removing a gun from its holster and pointing it toward the camera.[5][3] The trio behind the monitor were two feet from the muzzle of the firearm and none of them were wearing any protective gear like noise-canceling headphones or safety goggles.[5]
While the trio behind the monitor were repositioning the camera to remove a shadow, Baldwin began explaining to the crew how he planned to draw the firearm.[3] He said, "So, I guess I'm gonna take this out, pull it, and go, 'Bang!'"[5] When he removed it from the holster, the gun was fired a single time.
Sure sounds like they were in the process of doing a scene and he was practicing.
This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:23 pm to NATidefan
yep - those are dummy rounds
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:24 pm to NATidefan
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Sure sounds like they were doing a scene.
Nope.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nope
It actually sounds a hell of a lot like they were rehearsing a scene.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Nope
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The scene involved Baldwin's character removing a gun from its holster and pointing it toward the camera
Im not defending anyone, but some of yall are glazing over the facts.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:28 pm to BeepNode
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He is a douche but was it reasonable for him to believe the gun was unsafe? I don’t know the details but I assumed guns on set used blanks and that they were all maintained by an expert of some kind. Maybe there was something unofficial about the gun that put some onus on him to verify?
Given the frequent discharge of live rounds on the set in days prior, I think it is reasonable to assume the producer (Baldwin) should’ve had grave concerns about the firearm safety on his set.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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When it’s loaded in a gun?
My 8 year old is trained on how to safely operate and/or handle a firearm, so the first thing he would have done is to check the chamber to see if it was loaded. In this instance, my son (well call him Braydyn the travel ball GOAT for the OTs sake) would have either (A) unloaded the weapon before handling it or (B) treated it like a loaded weapon and never flashed the barrel at anyone
Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:30 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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It actually sounds a hell of a lot like they were rehearsing a scene.
Him whipping the gun out of his holster, pointing it at the cinematographer and pulling the trigger while saying "bang" isn't a rehearsal or practice, it's him fricking around with a loaded weapon to amuse himself and the crew.
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