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re: Alcoholism: Why Is It A Disease?

Posted on 6/16/18 at 7:55 am to
Posted by tigerdude3232
Member since Nov 2009
730 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 7:55 am to
So your family has weaker than normal will power? You get to claim y’all are all diseased because y’all have no will power right?
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
32713 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:26 am to
Getting sober: The PaRC in Houston

Staying sober: Worked the 12 steps. Attend regular meetings and chair a meeting once a week. Remain teachable.

Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
32713 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:32 am to
I don’t care what label we each give it. Everything else in my life came second...wife, kids, family, job, hobbies. I’m lucky I didn’t die. I agree that taking the first drink was because I wanted to. Everything after me that was because I had to.

Of the 10 years I was drinking, the first 3 were enjoyable.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296766 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:33 am to
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Of the 10 years I was drinking, the first 3 were enjoyable.


Yep, after that it's simply self medication.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 8:56 am to
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History and science have shown us that the existence of the disease of alcoholism is pure speculation. Just saying alcoholism is a disease doesn't make it true. Nevertheless, medical professionals and American culture enthusiastically embraced the disease concept and quickly applied it to every possible behavior from alcohol abuse to compulsive lecturing and nail biting. The disease concept was a panacea for many failing medical institutions and pharmaceutical companies, adding billions of dollars to the industry and leading to a prompt evolution of pop-psychology. Research has shown that alcoholism is a choice, not a disease, and stripping alcohol abusers of their choice, by applying the disease concept, is a threat to the health of the individual.



You're an idiot. History is full of alcoholics. Look at Alexander or Ogedei Khan. Their alcoholism almost certainly sent them both to an early grave, much to the relief of the rest of the world. And to look at modern society and saying alcoholism doesn't exist.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 10:15 am
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10864 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 9:56 am to
I lost my best friend in college. I gave up on God for a bit and chose to drink because it numbed my senses. For almost 2 years every night I drank until I passed out because laying in bed sober meant it was just myself and my emotions and my emotions took over every night. I didn’t know how to move on but drinking seemed to calm me down. I added pills to my nightly routine at some point because it sped the process up. Instead of a whole bottle of southern comfort I could drink less and feel the same way. I was labeled as an alcoholic. I was told I needed to get help. I took a trip by myself to the Caribbean for a long weekend with bad intentions. It became a reassessment of my life and when I got back I no longer had the desire or urge to drink like that.

I was cured of my “disease” I guess. Ever since I have never had issues with drinking. I drink when I want but rarely in excess and never because I feel I have to. I have a family history of alcoholism so I used that as an excuse to make me feel like it was just my time. But I learned it doesn’t have to be that way. I never hit rock bottom but I woke up and figured out I couldn’t stay on the same path to live the life I wanted.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:20 am to
You had more of a drinking problem than alcoholism. I think that's more what I have since I go in phases and almost never have an extremely strong desire to drink. I'm wary about it too though since I too come from a long line of alcoholics.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9892 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:28 am to
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It's tragic that some people think people want to be frick ups and addicts. We won't get anywhere with that line of thinking.


It is tragic we have people who always excuse people who are frick ups and addicts. This line of thinking has led to the victim mentality society we have today. It is like a alcoholic getting drunk than getting behind the wheel killing a family of 4 and telling the judge I am sorry but it was my disease... Do you not see the ridiculousness in calling alcoholism a disease?
Posted by the paradigm
Moon Township, PA
Member since Sep 2017
5417 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:34 am to
Sorry, but in my opinion if you are willingly doing it, it's not a disease, it's a choice. People who have a real disease don't have that choice.
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67487 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:48 am to
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So your family has weaker than normal will power? You get to claim y’all are all diseased because y’all have no will power right?


Idiotic post deserves no real response. I won't take the bait, other than to say my dad devoted much of his life to recovery and getting well, while helping others to do the
same. It took guts and determination, plus help.
Posted by lsucoonass
shreveport and east texas
Member since Nov 2003
69707 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:49 am to
Addiction is the disease not necessarily the alcohol
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296766 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:50 am to
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It is tragic we have people who always excuse people who are frick ups and addicts.


You think the disease concept is an excuse..?
Posted by VOR
Member since Apr 2009
67487 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 10:56 am to
changes in the brain that occur with repeated use of alcohol or drugschanges in the brain that occur with repeated use of alcohol or drugsSure, you can find some articles claiming the disease categorization is a myth, but many, if not most, times that claim is made by a for profit recovery facility trying to lure paying clients.

I'll listen to the doctors and trained experts
from the Surgeon GGeneral:
According to the report, substance use disorders result from changes in the brain that occur with repeated use of alcohol or drugs. These changes take place in brain circuits that are involved in pleasure, learning, stress, decision making, and self-control.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 11:03 am
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9892 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:34 am to
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You think the disease concept is an excuse..??


People who are claiming a that something which isn't a disease is one than yeah it is creating an excuse.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296766 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:35 am to
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People who are claiming a that something which isn't a disease is one than yeah it is creating an excuse.


The disease concept revolves around treatment. It's no excuse.

Every addict or alcoholic will admit the road to addiction was self inflicted.
Posted by stelly1025
Lafayette
Member since May 2012
9892 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:37 am to
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Every addict or alcoholic will admit the road to addiction was self inflicted.


That a not a disease that is a choice.
This post was edited on 6/16/18 at 11:38 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296766 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 11:41 am to
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That a not a disease that is a choice.


Is pancreatitis a disease? What about diabetes? Cancer from smoking?

Are those diseases?
Posted by BayouFann
CenLa
Member since Jun 2012
7158 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:18 pm to
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BayouFann - That's a sweet looking white perch/sacalait/crappie in your avatar. Did you catch it? If so, where and how much did it weigh?

That’s a surf perch of Southern California. They’re fun to catch off of jetties and in the surf. They’re a nice slab of muscle so it’s good eatin! Got the pic off the net though. Good lookin fish right?!
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10864 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:23 pm to
So now we have different levels. Some are addicted without choice. Some have a drinking problem but aren’t alcoholics.

None of it is a disease though.
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 6/16/18 at 4:29 pm to
There aren't different levels. You are or you aren't. It's a disease. I'm sorry you don't agree with accepted 21st century medicine.
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