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re: Alcoholism: Why Is It A Disease?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:18 am to Festus
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:18 am to Festus
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So you would consider caffeine addiction a disease?
Borderline - I don't think all users of caffeine are true addicts, but this is probably true of a lot of drugs. There is a better risk/reward for caffeine consumption, particularly if you're not caffeine sensitive. Certainly there are some folks who are absolutely addicted to caffeine and probably require help with cessation if it endangers their health.
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Or cigarette smoking?
Nicotine addiction is one of the biggest health problems of the last 150 years, so yeah. Most nicotine users are significantly addicted.
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Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:19 am to tigerdude3232
You're novelty has worn off unfortunately. And you're not giving me any more good material to make jokes. Strawman don't fulfill that purpose. Give me something better to work with again, my man.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:22 am to EarlyCuyler3
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sorry I've used all your mental capacity in one single morning
This becomes clear if you compare addiction with true diseases. In addiction there is no infectious agent (as in tuberculosis), no pathological biological process (as in diabetes), and no biologically degenerative condition (as in Alzheimer's disease). The only "disease-like" aspect of addiction is that if people do not deal with it, their lives tend to get worse. That's true of lots of things in life that are not diseases; it doesn't tell us anything about the nature of the problem. (It's worthwhile to remember here that the current version of the disease concept, the "chronic brain disease" neurobiological idea, applies to rats but has been repeatedly shown to be inapplicable to humans. Please see earlier posts in this blog or my book, Breaking Addiction, for a full discussion of the fallacy of this neurobiological disease model for addiction.)....
......Despite all its past helpfulness, then, we are better off today without the disease idea of addiction. For too long it has served as a kind of "black box" description that explains nothing, offers no help in treatment, and interferes with recognizing newer ways to understand and treat the problem.
And there is one more advantage. If we can eliminate the empty "disease" label, then people who suffer with an addiction can finally stop thinking of themselves as "diseased."
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You're novelty has worn off unfortunately. And you're not giving me any more good material to make jokes. Strawman don't fulfill that purpose. Give me something better to work with again, my man.
sorry I've used all your mental capacity in one single morning
This becomes clear if you compare addiction with true diseases. In addiction there is no infectious agent (as in tuberculosis), no pathological biological process (as in diabetes), and no biologically degenerative condition (as in Alzheimer's disease). The only "disease-like" aspect of addiction is that if people do not deal with it, their lives tend to get worse. That's true of lots of things in life that are not diseases; it doesn't tell us anything about the nature of the problem. (It's worthwhile to remember here that the current version of the disease concept, the "chronic brain disease" neurobiological idea, applies to rats but has been repeatedly shown to be inapplicable to humans. Please see earlier posts in this blog or my book, Breaking Addiction, for a full discussion of the fallacy of this neurobiological disease model for addiction.)....
......Despite all its past helpfulness, then, we are better off today without the disease idea of addiction. For too long it has served as a kind of "black box" description that explains nothing, offers no help in treatment, and interferes with recognizing newer ways to understand and treat the problem.
And there is one more advantage. If we can eliminate the empty "disease" label, then people who suffer with an addiction can finally stop thinking of themselves as "diseased."
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:24 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:28 am to tigerdude3232
I'll wait
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:29 am to Clark W Griswold
You ever been around a true alcoholic? Even a functioning alcoholic?
Disease is also defined as:
Disease is also defined as:
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a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:33 am to tigerdude3232
One man's opinion VS millions. Ok, let's go with that one. 
Your arse has set up permanent camp on Brokebacl Mountain in this thread and you don't even realize it.
Your arse has set up permanent camp on Brokebacl Mountain in this thread and you don't even realize it.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:37 am to Clark W Griswold
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Medicare caused the opioid crisis by stating the expectation that health care providers relieve 100% of pain 100% of the time based on the patient’s rating of said pain and rating doctors, nurses and medical facilities in their ability to provide total pain relief as determined by the patient.
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Doctors caused the opioid crisis. You think they have the best opinion?
Medicare caused the opioid crisis by stating the expectation that health care providers relieve 100% of pain 100% of the time based on the patient’s rating of said pain and rating doctors, nurses and medical facilities in their ability to provide total pain relief as determined by the patient.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:39 am to Clark W Griswold
It's not. Disease makes you feel bad, getting drunk makes you feel good.
What sucks for sober people is when they wake up that's the best they'll feel all day
What sucks for sober people is when they wake up that's the best they'll feel all day
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:40 am to Clark W Griswold
One thing for sure, i never would get black outs or forget things from a night of drinking, even those nights i ended up hugging the toilet for hours.
Now a couple of decades later, I could black out or just forget parts of the night after drinking a few beers. Scary shite actually.
Which is why i def believe in it being progressive.
Now a couple of decades later, I could black out or just forget parts of the night after drinking a few beers. Scary shite actually.
Which is why i def believe in it being progressive.
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:43 am to EarlyCuyler3
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One man's opinion VS millions. Ok, let's go with that one.
Your arse has set up permanent camp on Brokebacl Mountain in this thread and you don't even realize it.
Is this really all you have to come back at me after I gave you evidence?
millions where? Do you represent the "millions"
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:46 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:44 am to dgnx6
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Which is why i def believe in it being progressive.
AKA smoke pot
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:45 am to tigerdude3232
Dude chemical makeup of people's brains are diff.
How to you feel about thing like depression or bi polar disorder?
How to you feel about thing like depression or bi polar disorder?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:46 am to tigerdude3232
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AKA smoke pot
prob would a lot more if it was legal here.
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:47 am to dgnx6
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Dude chemical makeup of people's brains are diff.
How to you feel about thing like depression or bi polar disorder?
This becomes clear if you compare addiction with true diseases. In addiction there is no infectious agent (as in tuberculosis), no pathological biological process (as in diabetes), and no biologically degenerative condition (as in Alzheimer's disease). The only "disease-like" aspect of addiction is that if people do not deal with it, their lives tend to get worse.
this.....
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:48 am to dgnx6
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AKA smoke pot
prob would a lot more if it was legal here.
soon my friend, soon
Maybe since LA is expanding their medical mary jane laws, maybe we can include debilitating illnesses like alcoholism
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:49 am to tigerdude3232
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The only "disease-like" aspect of addiction is that if people do not deal with it, their lives tend to get worse.
And you can also get other diseases
If you get some form of liver disease because you're an alcoholic is that not considered a disease because it was self inflicted?
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:51 am to Clark W Griswold
I've always wondered myself, not sure the definition clears it up but it has key words that make a connection. meningitis and Alcoholism both share the "external" factor that contributes towards the bad outcome.
dis·ease
d?'zez/Submit
noun
a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.
"bacterial meningitis is a rare disease"
synonyms: illness, sickness, ill health; More
a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
"departmental administration has often led to the dread disease of departmentalitis"
dis·ease
d?'zez/Submit
noun
a disorder of structure or function in a human, animal, or plant, especially one that produces specific signs or symptoms or that affects a specific location and is not simply a direct result of physical injury.
"bacterial meningitis is a rare disease"
synonyms: illness, sickness, ill health; More
a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
"departmental administration has often led to the dread disease of departmentalitis"
This post was edited on 6/15/18 at 11:54 am
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:51 am to Powerman
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The only "disease-like" aspect of addiction is that if people do not deal with it, their lives tend to get worse.
And you can also get other diseases
If you get some form of liver disease because you're an alcoholic is that not considered a disease because it was self inflicted?
At that point could you personally fix your own liver? no
Could you stop drinking and stop being an alcoholic? yes
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:53 am to Tommy Patel
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a particular quality, habit, or disposition regarded as adversely affecting a person or group of people.
"departmental administration has often led to the dread disease of departmentalitis"
I would be interested to know when this was added to the definition lol. before or after we deemed addiction a disease
Posted on 6/15/18 at 11:53 am to tigerdude3232
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Could you stop drinking and stop being an alcoholic? yes
If you have the secret you need to write a book. You'd be worth billions.
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