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Posted on 6/8/15 at 2:17 pm to tbrig3211
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AA as a therapy has been widely dimissed as an effective treatment.
Not by the millions of people it has helped.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:04 pm to tbrig3211
quote:So you are having a hard time staying on the wagon?
AA as a therapy has been widely dimissed as an effective treatment.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:08 pm to Armymann50
Hangovers are natures way of preventing me from alcoholism.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:09 pm to barry
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Hangovers are natures way of preventing me from alcoholism.
I smell a fat pussy.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:10 pm to Mr.Perfect
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Alcoholism - learned, genetic or both? by Mr.Perfect
Learned.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:10 pm to Mr.Perfect
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I always hear people say you can be genetically predisposed to becoming an alcoholic.
Erin go bragh!
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:11 pm to Salmon
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some people are genetically predisposed to addiction, not necessarily alcoholism
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:16 pm to Armymann50
Never have had any substance abuse issues.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:18 pm to tbrig3211
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Never have had any substance abuse issues.
No wonder AA didn't work. Step one, baw.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:22 pm to Artie Rome
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AA as a therapy has been widely dimissed as an effective treatment.
Not by the millions of people it has helped.
My uncle was somebody that it did help and he was a host for AA and NA meetings for several decades. And he was the first to tell people that AA only was effective for a small percentage of people that tried it. There really is no treatment that is all that effective.
And put me down on the mostly genetic side of this issue.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:22 pm to tigerinthebueche
I say both. 30-70% of alcoholics share high stress and anxiety levels. There is a gene CREB that regulates a part of the brain responsible for maintaining stress and anxiety. People are born with low levels tend to during more. That genetic trait is passed from generation to generation.
That accompanied with the environment you are raised in, i.e. watching your parents get hammered, can make for a dependent child as well. There are other factors like peer pressure, so that would help make up my "learned" opinion as well.
That accompanied with the environment you are raised in, i.e. watching your parents get hammered, can make for a dependent child as well. There are other factors like peer pressure, so that would help make up my "learned" opinion as well.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:26 pm to kingbob
quote:This is the best answer. Some people are "probably pre-disposed to crave alcohol" upon consumption which could lead to true alcoholism.... but they would not know unless they consumed alcohol in the first place.
Both.
Genetics determine whether someone has a higher likelihood of addiction.
The actual behavior itself is a choice.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:30 pm to Tigris
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There really is no treatment that is all that effective.
Treating any form of substance abuse is challenging. As I posted earlier the problem is amplifyed with alcoholism due to the number of neuroreceptor systems alcohol affects. Sucessful treatment of opioid addiction is more likely than with alcohol.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:30 pm to Artie Rome
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I smell a fat pussy.
I smell someone who wears an inappropriate amount of sleeveless shirts
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:31 pm to barry
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an inappropriate amount of sleeveless shirts
No such thing. Dweeb.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:35 pm to tbrig3211
I agree with tbrig. I think he is entirely correct.
Alcoholism is a terrible disease with fatal consequences, for many. It is terribly unfortunate that research has not come up with help for those who suffer and their families.
Alcoholism is a terrible disease with fatal consequences, for many. It is terribly unfortunate that research has not come up with help for those who suffer and their families.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:39 pm to Tigris
quote:Alcoholism is a killer and AA has helped millions when nothing else could/would. For many, alcohol is the solution to the inability to live life on life term sober but the real alcoholic can't stop drinking once he starts. Many problem drinkers come to AA but eventually claim it isn't "effective" because the fact is they are not real alcoholics to begin with.
AA as a therapy has been widely dimissed as an effective treatment. Not by the millions of people it has helped.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:49 pm to Crow Pie
I know a few very successful people who quit with the aid of AA alone. They work the program religiously.
Most cannot maintain sobriety under any circumstances.
Most cannot maintain sobriety under any circumstances.
Posted on 6/8/15 at 3:52 pm to Crow Pie
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Many problem drinkers come to AA but eventually claim it isn't "effective" because the fact is they are not real alcoholics to begin with.
Please define a "real alcoholic."
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