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re: After historic tax cuts, Texas lawmakers evaluate eliminating property taxes entirely

Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:39 pm to
Posted by Oates Mustache
Member since Oct 2011
26031 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:39 pm to
All the moochers that want equity, well here's your freaking equity. You'll pay the same as the rest of us via sales tax.

Gonna be riots if this happens and I'm here for it any the sweet salty tears it will produce.
Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17543 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:41 pm to
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My initial thought is paying 22% for all my purchases would actually increase my tax liability for the year compared to the property taxes I pay


Sales taxes, for the most part, are completely controllable outside the necessities.

Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40279 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:44 pm to
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Sales taxes, for the most part, are completely controllable outside the necessities.


Which is actually a terrible thing.



Like income tax, sales tax is a wet blanket on productivity.



A true conservative thinker accepts ad valorem property tax before any other.
Posted by tarpley2000
Texas
Member since Oct 2021
32 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:47 pm to
Did they account for a sales tax on the purchase of real estate? I would think by applying the current sales tax of 6.25% to all real estate purchases a substantial amount of money would be raised every year.

In addition cutting out the CAD bureaucracy would be a savings.

And at the end of the day you would own your property outright and not have to deal with the stress of the current property tax system.
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
2963 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:53 pm to
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Land is scarce. How would NYC look if you banned apartments like you want?


This is about Texas, not the isle of Manhattan.
Posted by Limitlesstigers
Lafayette
Member since Nov 2019
3803 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:56 pm to
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Posted by jizzle6609
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
17543 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 2:57 pm to
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This is about Texas, not the isle of Manhattan.


LOL.

I think folks from Texas, and many other Southern states don't even ponder the existence of New York, California, etc. They have literally become lost causes.
Posted by GRTiger
On a roof eating alligator pie
Member since Dec 2008
69013 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:05 pm to
They could do a combo that makes it attractive to most people.

Phase out property taxes after 5 years of ownership. Increase sales taxes to something reasonable like 8.5%. implement a 2% income tax with a 100k/200k exemption.

The specific numbers can be adjusted to fit the budget.

Also, reduce state spending as much as possible so the tax cut funding can be reduced.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85859 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:10 pm to
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I’ve never met a renter who didn’t pay for the owner’s property tax bill.


Let’s say a company owns multi family units and gets their appraisal. They go appeal and oh look your golfing buddy is there.

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Appealing property valuations to government agencies for tax relief has been a tried-and-true way that apartment owners have reduced costs over the years. But that isn’t the only thing driving down costs. Texas has taken steps to reduce the tax burdens on apartment owners.



While the renters might pay it, these owners of complexes might get a more favorable ruling than the random family with no connections.

This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 3:14 pm
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4985 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:10 pm to
Sounds better than Arkansas. We pay like 10% sales tax, 7% state income tax, and also pay property tax and personal property tax.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
24929 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:36 pm to
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Renters pay it too.


All right, it has been pointed out I was incorrect

What I would like to see, how much the burden is rent vs. home owner. The high density living options are stressing and overloading the school districts here.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
40279 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:38 pm to
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Appealing property valuations to government agencies for tax relief has been a tried-and-true way that apartment owners have reduced costs over the years.


I think every property owner in texas does this every year.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
16649 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 3:52 pm to
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I think every property owner in texas does this every year.

Yep, there's an entire industry around it. I use Bettencourt every year.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9549 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:21 pm to
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This is about Texas, not the isle of Manhattan.


The dude said limit apartments to 20% as an absolute. That is not practical in any urban environment, even in Texas.
 
It's a valid question, genius.
Posted by FLObserver
Jacksonville
Member since Nov 2005
15798 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:22 pm to
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They just need to lower the property tax rate some and quit letting these appraisal districts raise your home value every year.

Totally agree. They say my house is worth more every year since ive been in about 12 years and every year I write a bigger check for more property taxes. It needs to stop!!
This post was edited on 9/5/24 at 4:24 pm
Posted by Dairy Sanders
Member since Apr 2022
2963 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:24 pm to
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The dude said limit apartments to 20% as an absolute


No he didn’t.

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That is not practical in any urban environment, even in Texas.


Yes it is.

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It's a valid question, genius.


You’re not valid
Posted by NOLALGD
Member since May 2014
2691 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:48 pm to
I get people who pay a lot in property tax supporting this, but there is another trade-off here:

Eliminating property taxes could cause an explosive in sales tax and consumption fees. People mostly think of sales taxes on groceries and restaurants, but not sales taxes on construction materials and commodities. The cost of services will significantly increase since many companies (and possibly utilities and public agencies depending on what is tax exempt) will pay significantly more for materials and supplies and pass those on to consumers. Think about the additional costs of that small bathroom renovation with higher taxes. If this happens many middle-class and up families could end up paying more than their yearly property tax bill in additional taxes.

Last, this would severely impact real estate markets and drive up housing costs even more. While not a fan of tax sales they contribute significantly to real estate redevelopment projects. Additionally, developers will now pay significantly more to develop new projects in large part to additional taxes on supplies and materials.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
3070 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 4:48 pm to
Apartments are more often than not a blight on the community after 20 years.

I’ve seen cities that didn’t allow them. Guess what, they aren’t having the same crime problems and school issues as towns that do. It is an “inconvenient truth” to borrow a phrase from the progressives.

Anyway, as typical this thread is way off what the original discussion was.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9549 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:08 pm to
What impact would a city like Houston or Dallas banning apartments have?

Where are the folks earning $60K as a household supposed to live?

Please tell the class how an urban environment can successfully ban apartments from being built.
Posted by GeauxTigers123
Member since Feb 2007
3070 posts
Posted on 9/5/24 at 5:24 pm to
Some towns do. Even in DFW. Working class end up living in a neighboring town.

I didn’t say it will ever happen, but if I was designing a town to be nice I would have a low number of rentals.
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