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re: Afrika Bambaataa, Godfather of Hip-Hop and accused child rapist, dead at 68
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:54 am to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:54 am to BluegrassBelle
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Did the music create the culture or did the culture create the music?
I’d argue from a crime and black poverty perspective NYC in the 70s and 80s was probably a hell of a lot rougher than today. Especially with the crack epidemic.
I feel like the music came from the culture. NWA guys were rapping about what was going on in their neighborhoods and the east coast guys were also doing the same with the crack epidemic.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 7:56 am
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Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:55 am to Saint Alfonzo
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good riddance to another kid diddler.
I wasn't there, and I don't know what happened, but I do know this. It was just accusations made more than 30 years after the incident allegedly happened.
This same forum shot down all the "MeeToo" women doing the same thing several years ago. You can't have it both way.
As for his guilt or innocence, God knows and he's being judged for it now.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:00 am to Saint Alfonzo
Planet rock. I remember when that came out.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:02 am to Darth_Vader
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It’s always boggled my mind that hip-hop is even considered music. It’s pure dog shite that requires no musical talent or ability. A freaking record player is not even a musical instrument.
If you're including the producer, you have no clue. If you're not, not gonna debate this.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:03 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:Dont know. But it’s gotten to a point to where they go hand in hand.
Did the music create the culture or did the culture create the music?
To SoFla’s point, black music wasn’t always that way. You had blues, jazz artists, Fatz, Motown. Actual singing, instruments, talent.
Seems like the minute it became just beats and rhymes, anyone with a mic could spew anything. Started out okay in the late 80s-90s, but after that black culture went downhill quick.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:03 am to Darth_Vader
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It’s always boggled my mind that hip-hop is even considered music. It’s pure dog shite that requires no musical talent or ability. A freaking record player is not even a musical instrument.
Go make us some beats and raps then, baw. It’s so easy.
You probably sound like your parents who used the same tired complaints about rock music when it came out.
There are plenty of huge rock front men who don’t play instruments and only sing. How are they any different from rappers who create lyrics and songs?
Sampling is an art form that takes talent as well.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:05 am to baytiger11
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Dont know. But it’s gotten to a point to where they go hand in hand.
But in this case we're talking about music that was created over 40 years ago. Not "It's gotten to the point..."
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black music wasn’t always that way. You had blues, jazz artists, Fatz, Motown. Actual singing, instruments, talent.
Again, go watch the video I posted about. The original Hip-Hip pioneers were influenced by every type of music you posted above. They just used new technology to incorporate it in a new type of music.
It was a comment about photography, but I think it applies here. One of my mentors once told me, "All artwork is derivative." I think that's totally the case with regards to hip hop music and it's origins.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:09 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:08 am to Saint Alfonzo
The day great black music died
July 4th 2003
July 4th 2003
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:18 am to BluegrassBelle
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I’d argue from a crime and black poverty perspective NYC in the 70s and 80s was probably a hell of a lot rougher than today. Especially with the crack epidemic.
Maybe a decade of Mamdani in NYC will crank up the music quality.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:42 am to bad93ex
And the unemployment rate...
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:42 am to Saint Alfonzo
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In 2016, Bronx political activist and former music industry executive Ronald Savage accused Bambaataa of abusing him in 1980, when he was Savage was a young teen.
[quote]"I was scared, but at the same time I was like, 'This is Afrika Bambaataa,' " Savage told the AP in 2016. At the time he recalled, in detail, that encounter and four others that he said followed.
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This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 8:43 am
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:55 am to N2cars
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And the unemployment rate...
Why would you work when everything is "free"
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:00 pm to CaptainsWafer
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Yes some rappers are horrible, but some are legit talented
Do the murdered rappers belong to both groups, or is one group more likely to be murdered?
Posted on 4/10/26 at 12:18 pm to Saint Alfonzo
It appears he was a typical mainstream lib.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 1:41 pm to Saint Alfonzo
dont stop it...ROCK IT
Posted on 4/11/26 at 12:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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Boy do I have something to tell you about Michael Jackson.
He was at least a highly skilled vocalist. Singing is music and Michael Jackson was a genius at it.
It's a lazy and ignorant argument to start with. Michael Jackson knew music and knew the musical scale. Even if he didn't physically play music he had the Brian Wilson type talent, although nowhere near his scale, of hearing the music in his head and showing the musicians what he was hearing. He would sit in the studio with them and sing the notes he wanted them to play, tell them the chords/chord progressions, or even beatbox bass lines, ironically enough
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:31 pm to Darth_Vader
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It’s always boggled my mind that hip-hop is even considered music. It’s pure dog shite that requires no musical talent or ability. A freaking record player is not even a musical instrument.
Are you musically inclined? If so, you try it. Make a beat, write a song with an intricate rhyme scheme, and match its cadence with the beat. At the same time you need to entertain us, as in write something thoughtful or that will make us dance. If its so simple and not music then show us.
If not musically inclined, why do we care about an amatuers analysis of something they cant comprehend how to accomplish themselves?
Im a 90s east coast influenced fan of rap(though Outkast is my favorite) that doesn't really care for an overwhelming majority of rap today and admit there are some less than talented guys performing now. That said, the best of the guys in the circuit now, are extremely talented individuals. Not everyone's taste but not untalented. Same applies to every genre of music.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 2:49 pm to DomincDecoco
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dont stop it...ROCK IT
And keep tickin' and tockin
Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:03 pm to Z Cavaricci
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And keep tickin' and tockin
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Posted on 4/11/26 at 4:07 pm to Darth_Vader
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Hip-hop killed both black and white music, at least on the national level as both black and white youths embraced the dog shite that is hip/hop in the late 90s.
Billy Corgan says this, and also that the CIA was behind it.
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