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re: African woman explains why the future doesn't exist in their culture
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:29 am to Earnest_P
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:29 am to Earnest_P
quote:True, but by the same token, we also have to stop pretending we aren't treating them like second-class citizens.
We just have to stop pretending there isn’t a difference in the people who produce those civilizations.
ETA: And while we're at it, it's disingenuous not to recognize that at least a percentage of what we consider a lack of progress is directly related to outside forces constantly robbing them of their natural resources. Which ironically feeds into the equation of which we consider progress.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 10:40 am
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:33 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Ok, with a population of 40 million, I would hope so. But there are plenty of statistics that say, that as a population, they are failing in most metrics by which we measure success. I tie the view because the lack of connecting todays decisions to tomorrows consequence seems appropriate.
, Black Americans have had numerous success stories.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:34 am to tigerfoot
quote:
Africans eat all the eggs before they are chickens
That's because the fastest animal in the world is an Ethiopian chicken.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:34 am to 3nOut
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we make jokes about the west progressing and them still living in mud huts, but the idea of not viewing progress as a means to an end is not the worst thing in the world to them.
As we're using our time wisely and planning for the future, they're demanding foreign aid from us.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:36 am to Hangit
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This is why Africa has offered nothing to society, as far as advances from great minds.
I wonder what percentage of white folks it is that actually create these advances/inventions?
A microscopic minority.
And yet some white folks walk around like it's something they did.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:37 am to tigerfoot
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I tie the view because the lack of connecting todays decisions to tomorrows consequence seems appropriate
Or because of historical circumstances which only began to be undone two generations ago. If you look at similar situations at integration, they are not nearly as successful. And regardless, the evidence that somehow one African person's view represents the entirety of African history is extremely stupid. There are far better, more immediate explanations for your claims. Why you want to cling on to what one person has said is a weird line of belief, but if that is what you want to believe, good for you. You would still be wrong to use it as an explanation for things that are happening currently.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:38 am to Grievous Angel
quote:Well, when we are all being asked for reparations, I will claim my part of the Foodsaver and FlexSeal revolutions.
And yet some white folks walk around like it's something they did.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:39 am to 3nOut
quote:Eh, I don't know about it being exclusively western.
our idea of using/wasting time is mostly an exclusively western idea.
One thing is for sure: The rest of the world benefitted (and still benefits) from it. I'd rather my use of time be the norm than what she talks about. That hasn't worked out so well for them.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:40 am to Grievous Angel
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A microscopic minority.
And yet some white folks walk around like it's something they did.
For real. It is crazy that a bunch of uneducated hicks believe that they can take credit for something by virtue of sharing a skin color. These people would absolutely want to flay Galileo.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:41 am to SoFla Tideroller
My simple answer is that:
Prior
Planning
Prevents
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Poor
Performance.
Prior
Planning
Prevents
P1ss
Poor
Performance.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:52 am to mudshuvl05
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One thing is for sure: The rest of the world benefitted (and still benefits) from it. I'd rather my use of time be the norm than what she talks about. That hasn't worked out so well for them.
completely agree. Europe gets the benefit of not worrying THAT much about Russia and the Middle East because they know we spent the 20th century figuring out how to kill the most people as efficiently as possible.
Africa skipped 4 centuries of agrarian advancement, and while they still are well behind, can at least tackle some of their problems.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:59 am to stout
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:01 am to crazy4lsu
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Since integration, Black Americans have had numerous success stories.
Of course there are. There are smart African Americans, just like there are smart people in SSA.
It must drive them crazy to be around so many people who have trouble conceiving of the future and delaying gratification.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:05 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Well, this clinging to is the whole point of this thread.
Why you want to cling on to what one person has said is a weird line of belief, but if that is what you want to believe, good for you. You would still be wrong to use it as an explanation for things that are happening currently.
quote:Initially, yes. The further we get from it, the worse it is getting by objective statistics regarding social success as a population. One can see that the future holds disaster when, predictably, this pattern continues to accelerate..but that would require believing the future is coming.
If you look at similar situations at integration, they are not nearly as successful
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:05 am to Earnest_P
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Of course there are. There are smart African Americans, just like there are smart people in SSA
What? There is no source of comparison when both groups are distinct culturally. Arguably, Black Americans might have had the most sharp rise in living standards, education, etc. within such a short time frame. I'm skeptical that any other country in the world could have handled integration as well as the US has.
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It must drive them crazy to be around so many people who have trouble conceiving of the future and delaying gratification
Brah, it isn't like this one lady's word is gospel or something. You guys are really hanging on it as though it is a de facto explanation for everything. That is a very stupid view.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:07 am to TX Tiger
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True, but by the same token, we also have to stop pretending we aren't treating them like second-class citizens.
How should we treat people who cant (actually are incapable) behave in society as we envision it?
And please don’t tell me we functionally treat these people as second-class citizens at this point. We used to, and society was able to function well with that setup.
quote:
ETA: And while we're at it, it's disingenuous not to recognize that at least a percentage of what we consider a lack of progress is directly related to outside forces constantly robbing them of their natural resources.
Why weren’t they able to stop people from robbing them?
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 11:07 am
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
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It explains many things about the African continent.
Eta
What I mean by that is it seems like many communities in the African continent do not think things through for the long term future yet continuously look to the now/immediate future.
But they sure are keen to try and tap into the resources and advancements of societies that do plan for the future and how to make it better.
Does the mindset of "I don't want to put in the work or planning to make the future better for me and mine but I feel entitled to the success of others who do" sound familiar?
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 11:09 am
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:09 am to tigerfoot
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Well, this clinging to is the whole point of this thread.
The amount of evidence you seem to require to believe this as a catch-all explanation for diverse sociological trends explains a lot more about you and your inability to handle complexity than this explanation does for current sociopolitical dynamics.
quote:
The further we get from it, the worse it is getting by objective statistics regarding social success as a population.
No, not really.
quote:
One can see that the future holds disaster when, predictably, this pattern continues to accelerate..but that would require believing the future is coming.
Dear god, before you start using one person's theory on the internet as a convenient explanation for everything wrong in the world, you should learn to make a cogent argument first. Because this argument, on its face, is intensely stupid.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:09 am to crazy4lsu
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Brah, it isn't like this one lady's word is gospel or something. You guys are really hanging on it as though it is a de facto explanation for everything. That is a very stupid view.
I don’t put any stock at all in what the lady is saying, to the extent that there is a claim that SSAs being unable to conceive of the future is due to some philosophy of time.
But she is acknowledging an important reality, while trying to paint it as something it isn’t.
Posted on 8/22/25 at 11:10 am to Earnest_P
quote:You're making my point. You automatically assume they can't behave in society as we envision.
True, but by the same token, we also have to stop pretending we aren't treating them like second-class citizens.
How should we treat people who cant (actually are incapable) behave in society as we envision it?
quote:The same reason you and I aren't able to stop the Deep State from robbing us.
ETA: And while we're at it, it's disingenuous not to recognize that at least a percentage of what we consider a lack of progress is directly related to outside forces constantly robbing them of their natural resources.
Why weren’t they able to stop people from robbing them?
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