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re: Advice to upcoming law school graduates

Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:07 pm to
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:07 pm to
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I've always found the big law or bust thing odd for a forum based in a state with virtually no big law outside of one city.



The only problem is that outside of what would be considered big law in smaller cities, there is a pretty limited amount of stuff you can do.

There are just fewer options to do commercial real estate or corporate work or sophisticated commercial lit in smaller cities, and it becomes extremely tough outside of the larger firms in that area.

Whereas in larger cities, you have 8-12 attorney firms that can be sustained in some of those practices. Of course, youre tied to living in a major city, so arguably thats the downside
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:13 pm to
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If I had to pick a "mid-major" law school in the SE, I'd probably go to Samford.



Definitive mid major southern law school ranking:

1. Mercer
2a. Stetson
2b. Cumberland
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:16 pm to
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Definitive mid major southern law school ranking:

1. Mercer
2a. Stetson
2b. Cumberland


I don't think I could spend 3 years in Macon though
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125089 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:18 pm to
Oh, I get that. If you're going to law school hoping to do big time transactional and corporate stuff you had better finish close to the top of the class from a respected school. Most grads from a place like LSU end up litigating at mid size to small firms in places like BR, Lafayette, Shreveport, LC, etc. and do just fine.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:18 pm to
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Definitive mid major southern law school ranking:

1. Mercer
2a. Stetson
2b. Cumberland


Belmont will be in there shortly
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
6344 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:20 pm to
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I can't say LSU is too well known outside of Louisiana.


Maybe parts of Texas and Mississippi.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:20 pm to
Belmont is probably 4. Also a nice little up and comer is Elon in Greensboro.
Posted by 12Pence
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:24 pm to
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Belmont is probably 4.


I think it will surpass the others in no time. Having Alberto Gonzales, Jeff Kinsler, and a plethora of money doesn't hurt.
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:27 pm to
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Avoid Bar Study Loans like the plague

Do law students take out loans to study?
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:37 pm to
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Oh, I get that. If you're going to law school hoping to do big time transactional and corporate stuff you had better finish close to the top of the class from a respected school. Most grads from a place like LSU end up litigating at mid size to small firms in places like BR, Lafayette, Shreveport, LC, etc. and do just fine.



No doubt. And I think most people that go into law schools where the primary market isn't a major city fully understand the type of law they'll likely end up doing.
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:39 pm to
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Belmont will be in there shortly



I almost went to Belmont for undergrad. I honestly didn't even know they'd started a law school.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
125089 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:41 pm to
Hopefully I can wash away my post history here by the time I run for city judge
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13499 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:42 pm to
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Do law students take out loans to study?

I quit my job June 1 to study for the July bar exam. Bar Bri prep, which costs $2k or so, is every morning for a few weeks in June. I spent around 50 hours per week studying (or reading Td from a coffee shop). Not to mention there are only 2 cities in the state with law schools: many new grads are moving and signing leases. And results don't come out until late Oct. Long time to be on ice.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:00 pm
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 9:55 pm to
Yikes. I had no idea. Does everyone pay thousands for these reviews?
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:01 pm to
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Does everyone pay thousands for these reviews?


Only the people who want to pass the bar.
Posted by GaryMyMan
Shreveport
Member since May 2007
13499 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:02 pm to
I'd say around half do some sort of formal bar prep course. My class in BR had around 150 on good days.

Coincides with the passage rate
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:05 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:02 pm to
Yeah while the material isn't exactly life changing, I needed the structure
Posted by OKellsBells
USA
Member since Dec 2016
5264 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:24 pm to
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Only the people who want to pass the bar.

This doesn't make sense to me. Law school is expensive. Students should be pre-prepared for board exams by their university and through practical experience.

If the majority of graduates have to pay a private entity many thousands extra just to pass an exam, there was a failure to adequately prepare you.

Edit: I am clueless about law. Most of my colleagues were ready for pharmacy boards after a month or so of studying and the study materials were available at a small cost. Failure rates affect accreditation and reputation for colleges of pharmacy so they invest a lot in preparation. Law is probably a different situation. Good luck to you.
This post was edited on 4/28/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted by Pettifogger
I don't really care, Margaret
Member since Feb 2012
87748 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:36 pm to
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This doesn't make sense to me. Law school is expensive. Students should be pre-prepared for board exams by their university and through practical experience.

If the majority of graduates have to pay a private entity many thousands extra just to pass an exam, there was a failure to adequately prepare you.


Law school involves a significant amount of elective education, while the bar is wide ranging.

I had no interest in family law, didn't take any family law courses, but knew family law would be on the bar. Bar prep helped fill in those blanks. It also helps fill in stuff you learned 2-3 years ago.

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
51961 posts
Posted on 4/28/17 at 10:52 pm to
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Are you an idiot? Get out before it's too late.

I think the fact that I got into multiple law schools proves that I am not an idiot. Obviously being a lawyer is a difficult job, but there are a lot of people here who apparently hate that they did it and are self-loathing.

This is the field I felt called to go in, I have a passion for it, I've had lawyers who have been great mentors for me. I know this is what I want to do. I don't expect it to be easy, but I feel that it is where I am supposed to go.
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