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re: A little history on Viet Nam

Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:19 pm to
Posted by TuckyTiger
Central Ky
Member since Nov 2016
441 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:19 pm to
Maybe 51,000 casualties.
I think it was around 8,000 killed at Gettysburg.

Either way it was a bloodbath.
Posted by Mid Iowa Tiger
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Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:22 pm to
One day, sadly in the not too distant future my uncle’s name will be added to that wall. What happened to him in Vietnam has been killing him since he left. It’s just been killing him slowly, cruelly.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
7511 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:24 pm to
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A little history most people will never know.


The traveling wall came to Baton Rouge when I was a kid. Of course all the schools had field trips there and there were kids everywhere. But as a kid you don’t really understand the magnitude of sacrifice of those on the wall. It’s only as you get older that everything is put in to perspective.


Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17435 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:27 pm to
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If you really want to get pissed off at our government watch Vietnam by Ken Burns.


His best work IMO

Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
130417 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:28 pm to
My older cousin was there. Told his family one time that he had to kill a small girl who was approaching his platoon with dynamite strapped to her.

He never spoke of it again. The things those men had to endure there, and here.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
213746 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:35 pm to
And that’s the cruelest part of all. So many people that went there and survived are/were never the same. And this country treated them like shite.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 6:50 pm to
Accurate, but a wee bit misleading to those that don't know ammo. The Civil War was prime time for the Minie ball, which was between .58 and .69 Caliber. So, at least *twice* as big as a .223 or .308.

You weren't getting battlefield aid and shipping back home, you were losing limbs as a casualty.

quote:

Overworked Civil War surgeons often had to amputate limbs wounded by Minié balls. Adding to the damage, some soldiers notched their bullets to ensure they would spread out when they hit their target. In the 1870s, doctors urged an international ban on soft-lead bullets, saying they caused the same sort of damage as explosive bullets.
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
31645 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:19 pm to
My father was drafted and then tried to enlist after he was barred from serving due to severe allergies of ragweed and mold. To this day he’s still pissed he couldn’t serve especially when two of his friends were killed over there.
Posted by SportsGuyNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since May 2014
20080 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:21 pm to
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If you really want to get pissed off at our government watch Vietnam by Ken Burns.


If you want to watch garbage slanted leftist history, watch anything by the hack Ken Burns
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
3092 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:41 pm to
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Accurate, but a wee bit misleading to those that don't know ammo. The Civil War was prime time for the Minie ball, which was between .58 and .69 Caliber. So, at least *twice* as big as a .223 or .308. You weren't getting battlefield aid and shipping back home, you were losing limbs as a casualty. quote: Overworked Civil War surgeons often had to amputate limbs wounded by Minié balls. Adding to the damage, some soldiers notched their bullets to ensure they would spread out when they hit their target. In the 1870s, doctors urged an international ban on soft-lead bullets, saying they caused the same sort of damage as explosive bullets.


And many CW casualties died several days / weeks after a battle due to lack of quality medical support and infection. Vietnam had very good MASH units
Posted by Juan Betanzos
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2005
3092 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:42 pm to
I hesitate to watch anything by Ken Burns. Even “BASEBALL” had its moments I scoffed at
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
41742 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 7:51 pm to
I predicted before the Country Music doc that Burns would tell us blacks actually invented country music.
I wasn't far off.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
82747 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:13 pm to
Damn, this hits kinda different when you read it while giving your one-year-old son his bottle on your lap before bed.
Posted by HarveyBanger
Member since Mar 2018
1221 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 8:28 pm to
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39,996 on the Wall were just 22 or younger. 8,283 were just 19 years old. The largest age group, 33,103 were 18 years old.


Am I imagining this or do these numbers not line up?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
51536 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:16 pm to
Military Incompetence is really a common theme throughout military history but it is not inevitable.

Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:30 pm to
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Military Incompetence is really a common theme throughout military history but it is not inevitable.


It is not inevitable, but it is up to us to train our kids to understand how effective leadership works, and how to build a good organization, be it a platoon, company, ladies running a title office, or a bunch of tech bros. But there is a way for sure *not* to do it.

I really did not expect some of the places that book went with toddler/kid age issues on validation, etc., but seems fully legit.
Posted by chinhoyang
Member since Jun 2011
25066 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:34 pm to
When I was a kid, Gen. Carl came to our house a few times. I have a few pics of Dad and General Carl together in Viet Nam.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
69231 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 9:57 pm to
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Maybe 51,000 casualties. I think it was around 8,000 killed at Gettysburg.

Either way it was a bloodbath.


Both sides suffered casualties in the mid 20,000 range over three days, so roughly 50,000 give or take. Of that number, a little over 7,000 were killed.

For some context, a little under 20,000 American soldiers died out of 75,000 casualties in the Battle of the Bulge. This number though was eclipsed by the Meuse-Argonne Offensive in WWI, which lasted a little under a month, where about 120,000 American soldiers were casualties, a little under 30,000 of them being KIA.

Imagine how the American public would react today if in less than a month, 120,000 American soldiers were made battle casualties and almost 30,000 of them were killed. That happened in 1918.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 9:58 pm
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:20 pm to
Lots of soldier's turned down awards/metals when they got back. My father was in the bush and turned down awards/metals and just wanted to get the hell out of there. He didn’t want anything for killing people and felt weird about any kind of awards/metals. My dads mail was gone through when he got home for years and he couldn’t buy a gun and had never been arrested or had a felony.
This post was edited on 5/28/23 at 10:44 pm
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
10311 posts
Posted on 5/28/23 at 10:34 pm to
It's not the greatest movie, but The Greatest Beer Run Ever at least captures the sentiment.

I'm not pouring one out for the homies, I'm drinking one for the homies. Magnificent bastards. Everyone SOB that got blown off the back of a carrier, the dumbshits that dropped foot lockers on their feet and were forever crippled. Remember, somewhere, a Navy helicopter crashed this week. Your mail probably went with it.
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