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re: A father speaks up at SC school board meeting on officer fields.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:41 pm to Paige
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:41 pm to Paige
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how do you "verbally persuade" someone to do something? They asked her to put the phone away and then to leave and she did neither. So unless there's some type of verbal persuasion I'm unaware of, they tried option one first
Leaving the child to be disruptive because she refuses to comply is the worst thing I can imagine happening. Kids will be like "oh we never have to do what teacher x says because if we don't we'll just get left alone". And kids will continue to be disrupted because they'll be looking at the girl on her phone and thinking about how she just punked the teacher
Do you people not remember being in school?
There are verbal techniques to lower tension, generate rapport, create understanding.. and in general they do the opposite of escalating a situation. Most.. if not all.. officers are trained to do so. I've been through the training (I'm not a cop) and it works unless you're dealing with crazies.
Some of the kids may feed off it, sure. But I already prefaced what I said by saying.. if she was quiet and not being disruptive let her stay -- if she was intent on being a nuisance then remove her properly.
I wasn't in school long ago. I went to a school that had a bit of an attitude problem and we had students and teachers get into all the time. Not one time did I see a cop go WWE style on much bigger and more athletic male students. Our cops weren't egotistical douchebags who couldn't handle their emotions.. they were grown men. Their presence both mentally and physically defused the situations.. this cop wasn't good enough to do that.
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 10:43 pm
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Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:43 pm to TJGator1215
"You do not touch nobody's child."
frick that. She threw the first punch.
frick that. She threw the first punch.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 10:45 pm to Slinky
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"You do not touch nobody's child."
frick that. She threw the first punch.
After she was in a choke hold and being thrown to the ground
Let's not act like her trying to get loose from a grown man attacking her is unusual. If anything I would argue that it's entirely natural Half the OT is legitimately retarded i swear
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 10:46 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:12 pm to bmy
quote:I can not believe you think a kid openly playing on their phone in class isn't disruptive
if she was quiet and not being disruptive let her stay
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:27 pm to efrad
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How about physically restraining her and removing her from the desk?
Not putting his forearm around her neck/chest, grabbing her leg, and flipping her and the entire desk over and then grabbing her arm and leg and using that to throw/drag her across the floor?
This isn't just any police officer, it's a school resource officer, who should have proper training in how to restrain students who are being disobedient to the point of requiring force.
One could argue that the desk-flipping was a result of him trying to restrain her and her resisting, but once she was flipped over and he grabbed her and threw her any sympathy I had for that guy went out the window. He clearly let the child's attitude get the best of him, lost his cool, and chose to use a type of force that wasn't required to restrain her.
Ka-boom
The OTards seem to think that if you disagree with the desk flipping, hair pulling, and throwing like a ragdoll, it means you're a hoodrat apologist. We should start suplexing brats who have an attitude.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:35 pm to Paige
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I can not believe you think a kid openly playing on their phone in class isn't disruptive
i think you're naive tbh. phones are common place in school and so are distractions. life doesn't take place in a vacuum.
we can't start dishing out arse beatings by police officers every time a student distracts another student.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:46 pm to TJGator1215
What a fricking idiot.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:51 pm to bmy
Poor "15 year old girl" was sitting on the train tracks and didn't expect to be run over by a train.
Not a single drop of sympathy from me.
She got what she deserved.
Not a single drop of sympathy from me.
She got what she deserved.
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:52 pm to GCTiger11
None of these hard-asses seemingly would have the balls to speak like this man to a panel like that. They're afraid of authority and cower like bitches. Nothing this man said was wrong. Nothing.
Badges don't grant extra rights and I would be all for the cop taking it off, accepting a real man's challenge and see if he can handle himself without that badge. 10:1 he looks around begging for backup, as they all do.
Badges don't grant extra rights and I would be all for the cop taking it off, accepting a real man's challenge and see if he can handle himself without that badge. 10:1 he looks around begging for backup, as they all do.
This post was edited on 11/1/15 at 11:57 pm
Posted on 11/1/15 at 11:52 pm to bmy
Well I think you're an idiot.
Ever think why you can't bring your phone into a courthouse or some governmental buildings?
Part of the reason is because it's a DISTRACTION.
If phones were banned from schools, there would be an uproar from parents concerned about being able to contact their child in the event of an emergency, change of plans, etc.
But schools seemed to run just fine before cell phones were commonplace in schools.
Ever think why you can't bring your phone into a courthouse or some governmental buildings?
Part of the reason is because it's a DISTRACTION.
If phones were banned from schools, there would be an uproar from parents concerned about being able to contact their child in the event of an emergency, change of plans, etc.
But schools seemed to run just fine before cell phones were commonplace in schools.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:26 am to TJGator1215
This officer should have never been called for this in the first place. This is an issue that needed to be handled by the administration from the school. They put this officer in a bad situation.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:32 am to Choupique19
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Poor "15 year old girl" was sitting on the train tracks and didn't expect to be run over by a train.
Not a single drop of sympathy from me.
She got what she deserved.
So where do you draw the line?
Clearly if she wasn't being obedient after being talked to, then force was necessary to remove her from the classroom.
The only force necessary is that which is required to physically restrain her.
Throwing her across the classroom is not helping to restrain her whatsoever. Anything beyond restraining her you must be applauding because it's some sort of punishment you think she deserves? If that's the case how much punishment do you think officers should be allowed to give to teenagers who are being brats? Just flipping them over in their desks and throwing them across the floor? Throwing punches at the kid? Putting a bullet in the kid?
The reality is that the officer is there because he is a person who can use physical force when necessary. He is not the judge, jury, and executioner of the school. Just like in real life, he doesn't decide punishments. He should just do his job: restrain and remove the child from the classroom so that the other kids can go on learning without this piece of shite teenaged brat interrupting everything. He's not supposed to take it personally when a kid disrespects him and melt down like that.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 12:43 am
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:37 am to delta3504
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This officer should have never been called for this in the first place. This is an issue that needed to be handled by the administration from the school. They put this officer in a bad situation.
He's a student resource officer at the school. It's his job to deal with stuff like this. Which makes him look even sillier that he lost his cool over this situation.
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Fields began working as a school resource officer in 2008 and has split his time between the high school and Lonnie B. Nelson Elementary School, according to Jasak. At the elementary school, he won a "culture of excellence" award last year.
Resource officers are there to serve as "law enforcement officers, law enforcement educators and law-related counselors," Jasak said. "They're there to serve as role models."
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 12:40 am
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:44 am to efrad
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So where do you draw the line?
If you were sleeping in Brother Alan's class, he would casually walk over to your desk, quietly remove one of his shoes and hit you over the head with it.
Everyone would then erupt in laughter and he would calmly request your undivided attention in the future.
A few smacks in the head with a shoe usually cured you of your bad habit.
My wife taught in public school for years. Your imaginary "line" is whatever it takes to keep kids in line. This girl asked for it and got it.
I wager that the folks sticking up for her are young themselves and never got a decent arse whipping when they needed one.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:02 am to reverendotis
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Your imaginary "line" is whatever it takes to keep kids in line.
The line isn't imaginary. There are set procedures for what actions student resource officers can take. The sheriff suspended this officer because he violated those procedures.
Having absolutely no restrictions on the authority of the police ("whatever it takes") is a joke.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 1:07 am to efrad
Taze her and she would come out of her desk and then you could escort her out of the classroom.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 2:57 am to Choupique19
We used to just get hit with a ruler, worked if you were acting up.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:39 am to TJGator1215
Laughing at all these cop apologists and boot kickers who think that this man is her father.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:51 am to TJGator1215
The incident could've and should've been handled differently. Anyone who thinks it's ok for a grown arse man to sling an unruly girl around is not thinking clearly. It's not ok it has never been ok
Posted on 11/2/15 at 5:53 am to tinymite
Nah man. It's ok.
Usually learning how to behave at a late age takes pain and embarrassment.
Usually learning how to behave at a late age takes pain and embarrassment.
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