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re: 81 year old man jailed because pesticides he sprayed wafted into an organic farm

Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:45 am to
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:45 am to
At this point, I would water his crop with used motor oil or diesel fuel. I bet there's a transgender involved in this somehow too.
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
28293 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:47 am to
Can he sue the organic farmer for not controlling dangerous pests breeding on his land?
Posted by tiger94gop
GEISMAR
Member since Nov 2004
3274 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:48 am to
Where is the proof that his farm was actually damaged? As someone mentioned, there is a "perceived damage". Did the neighbor provide tests, etc. to show his crop absorbed the pesticide?
Posted by X123F45
Dictated not Read
Member since Apr 2015
30038 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:49 am to
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Organic food is poison, they spike it with dangerously high levels of estrogen that turn you into a little bitch




Thanks for the sig
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:51 am to
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That's setting a very dangerous precedent







I can claim any number of damages from my neighbor burning his sugarcane to stirring up dust by mowing. It's a very dangerous precedent and can backfire on property owners in a heartbeat
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 7:55 am to
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That's setting a very dangerous precedent


Not really a precedent here, sprayers have always been liable for damages, usually it is herbacide drift though.

If the organic grower can prove damage he should be compensated, if it was proven to be intentional the sprayer committed a crime. Nothing ground breaking about this.
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:01 am to
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if it was proven to be intentional


Based on what is here, it certainly doesn't sound intentional. There might be more to it though. The old guy actually got a permit to spray.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
4032 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:08 am to
This is different because it pertains to criminal charges.

No one is disputing the civil legalities. This is the first criminal case I know of concerning pesticide drift.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:10 am to
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Based on what is here, it certainly doesn't sound intentional. There might be more to it though. The old guy actually got a permit to spray.


No clue if it was intentional or not, simply commenting on the fact that this is nothing new or precenent setting.

there is likely a LOT more to this story.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:15 am to
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This is different because it pertains to criminal charges.

No one is disputing the civil legalities. This is the first criminal case I know of concerning pesticide drift.


He is going to jail for violating a court order, not the drift itself, took about 90 seconds to find.


quote:

State Judge Jeff Herron sentenced Hopper to jail for two days — and fined him $7,500 — ruling that his spraying until 2015 violated a 2012 court order that protected his neighbors, vegetable growers Rosemary Bilchak and Gordon MacAlpine, who suffers from leukemia.


Not very groundbreaking stuff
Posted by CadesCove
Mounting the Woman
Member since Oct 2006
40828 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:16 am to
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there is likely a LOT more to this story.



And lots of seller's remorse.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21842 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:16 am to
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I have never seen one mosquito in Colorado. I'm guessing there is more to the story.




You should spend more time there, preferably during the summer. I can promise there are mosquitos there.
Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:20 am to
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And lots of seller's remorse.


no shite on that one, he likely thought he took the hippies for a ride on the price at the time.

Lesson to be learned here boys and girls, don't piece your farm out to hippies, they stink and cause trouble.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
Member since May 2014
22650 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:20 am to
You're asking for the difference between accidentally shooting someone with a gun and letting pesticides waft onto your neighbors organic farm?
This post was edited on 3/8/16 at 10:37 am
Posted by Arkapigdiesel
Faulkner County
Member since Jun 2009
15771 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:25 am to
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Shouldn't be jailed unless he was a complete a-hole about how he was spraying, but I tend to side with the organic farm overall. Keep your poison to yourself.

Fgt.
Posted by stewie
Member since Jan 2006
4032 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:25 am to
Court order stemming from what? What was the original event causing the courts to become involved.

You are right in that there is more info needed, but from the info provided it is troublesome.

The legal ramifications run deep here. There are likely property right at stake here...on both sides.

Posted by cave canem
pullarius dominus
Member since Oct 2012
12186 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:29 am to
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Court order stemming from what? What was the original event causing the courts to become involved.

You are right in that there is more info needed, but from the info provided it is troublesome.

The legal ramifications run deep here. There are likely property right at stake here...on both sides.




Meh, he is getting locked up for contempt of court.

If you disagree with a courts ruling there are ways to challange it, doing just WTF you want is not likely the best option if you don't want a pissed off judge locking you up.

I think the whole thing is BS but this is not some new regulation or anything of the sort. Read the article the OP linked.
Posted by Hangover Haven
Metry
Member since Oct 2013
34786 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:32 am to
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how is this any different than a man facing penalties for discharging a firearm and accidentally injuring another human?



Put this in the dumbest thing you ever heard someone say thread..
Posted by Yewkindewit
Near Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Apr 2012
22021 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:34 am to
If I farted and the neighbor smelled it, would I be arrested for ASSault?
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
38233 posts
Posted on 3/8/16 at 8:43 am to
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This is the first criminal case I know of concerning pesticide drift.


unless the old guy was spraying DDT or something else thats banned, who the hell would care? Good lord the NonGMO, organic crowd are a bunch of pussies.

I'd drift 2-4-D and Roundup all over that granola frickers farm. fricking hippies.
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