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re: 8 Valedictorians - good or bad thing?

Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:17 am to
Posted by PapiGogo
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 11:17 am to
If GPAs are identical, winner should be decided by ACT/SAT scores. In America, there must be a winner.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:06 pm to
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at least one of the kids was in a couple of my classes, but he dropped them as soon as he realized he couldn't make A's.


WTF??? You could drop classes in high school?

Damn. We got one or two electives every year, but once your schedule was set, that was it. You had those courses the rest of the year. Hell, I was put in all Honors and asked to get out before the school year started and was told I couldn't.

I've never heard of kids being allowed to drop classes in high school.

I do know of a all-girls Catholic school in New Orleans that allowed students to take test up to 3 times with the highest score counting. They also got to determine when they took a test. That was insane to me -- how could you not get straight A's with a system like that?
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:12 pm to
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My high school gave out number grades (0-100) just to prevent this from happening. For outside reporting purposes, the grades were converted (94-100 "A", 86-93 "B", etc.), but on your report card you got a number. We had one valedictorian and one salutatorian. And, they were the two smartest kids in the class and deserved the honor.



I figured every school would do valedictorians and such like this. Doing it any other way results in ridiculous outcomes like having 8 of them. Which, while theoretically possible when giving out specific number grades, would be extremely unlikely.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 1:13 pm
Posted by Vood
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:15 pm to
If everyone is a Valedictorian is anyone a Valedictorian?

Posted by ShortyRob
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:19 pm to
If they all took advanced courses and their weighted GPA is equal, then I have no real issue.

HOWEVER!!

I've seen some school districts now getting RID of weighted GPAs for the purposes of class rank. Hence, Johnny who took all regular courses and gets a 4.0 is considered tied with Billy who took all AP courses and did the same.

THAT is bull shite.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:19 pm to
If all were in advanced classes and made the grade, what's the freaking problem? They earned it.
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:32 pm to
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I've seen some school districts now getting RID of weighted GPAs for the purposes of class rank. Hence, Johnny who took all regular courses and gets a 4.0 is considered tied with Billy who took all AP courses and did the same.


My sister went to an all-girls Catholic school in the late-70's/early-80's (not the one I mentioned above). At that time, they had the "college prep" curriculum and the "other" curriculum. The "other" curriculum had sewing classes, baking classes, stenography classes, etc. The furthest the "other" curriculum had to go in Math was basic algebra.

For the most part, the girls who really had no business going to college to the "other" curriculum and didn't exactly set the world on fire grade-wise. They did have to take 3 "regular" English courses.

But, her year, the girls who took the "college prep" course were pissed when one of the "other" curriculum matriculants wound up being Salutatorian. She made all A's in her HomeEc courses, but apparently, was REALLY dumb. She scored a 14 on her ACT, and then failed out of Southeastern.

Just one reason why AP courses should get extra GPA points.

Posted by TexasTiger39
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 1:37 pm to
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Posted by cleeveclever
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:19 pm to
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My school would only allow one Valedictorian so they started using weighted classes, standardized testing, and ACT scores to narrow it down until the runner-up one year got mad and sued the school.


This happened at my high school 20 years ago. The issue stemmed from a person transferring to our school from another state where the grades were tabulated differently than here.

The new person had the highest overall cumulative numbers coming in, but our school reworked them to be more in line with the way it was counted here (It was a pretty arbitrary process used, if I recall).

She fell to number 3 as a result and wasn't too happy. I don't think she sued, but the school radically altered the way it awarded those titles going forward.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 2:21 pm
Posted by jimbeam
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:21 pm to
Summa cum laude checking in
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:22 pm to
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This is why schools need a plus/minus grading scale. Don't even get me started on the bullshite of 90 being an A in some schools while it's 94 at others.
You are preaching to the choir here, especially in south La. All the public schools have a ten point grading scale(90-100) while the harder private schools have the 6(94-100)
Posted by MMauler
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:34 pm to
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All the public schools have a ten point grading scale(90-100) while the harder private schools have the 6(94-100)


When I got to college, I realized how many public schools had the 10 point scale and I was a little pissed. My GPA would have definitely had been above 4 if we had been on a 10 point scale. However, in hindsight it probably wouldn't have had much of an effect on my class ranking - and that's what colleges really look at.
Posted by TejasHorn
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:34 pm to
We had close to 1,400 in my class. Largest in the country at the time and kept us a football power until the city finally built a new HS.

Somehow we managed to pick 1 (one) valedictorian out of that many. But back then we weren't handing out medals to last place little league teams either.

#getoffmylawn
Posted by RBWilliams8
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:41 pm to
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Geez, 8 speeches? Makes me glad I went to Salmen.


We got few transplant football players from there after Katrina. Cool guys. Don't remember their names though.

OP, I don't see anything wrong with it. They're given the same assignments as everyone else and taking care if their business to get shite done. They like have advanced classes too. Want to be mad at someone? Be mad at all the stupid kids who drive the curriculum down.


Posted by RBWilliams8
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:45 pm to
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It's a shame when a title is more important than challenging yourself and learning as much as possible.


Shame on the system. The kid made a smart move, IMO.
Posted by Roberteaux
mandeville
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 2:47 pm to
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But we had the most ever National Merit guys. AMDG


2005? I think there were 56 semi-finalists that year, which is insane
Posted by Anfield Road
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:36 pm to
We had 4 people graduate with 4.0 but only 1 valedictorian and salutatorian. When it came to selecting valedictorian/salutatorian, they went to a 12 point scale (A+ = 12, A = 11, A = 10, etc.).
Posted by LSUTygerFan
Homerun Village
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:37 pm to
in the end, there can be only one.
Posted by double d
Amarillo by morning
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 3:46 pm to
My kids are graduating this year, and there is only valedictorian for a class of 385. They use the numeric grade not the letters to determine it and they go to 4 or 5 decimal places I believe. I don't ever remember the school having co-valedictorians.

Just logged on to check daughters grade; they calculate out to 4 decimals. (103.7250) Honors and AP grades get an additional point total based on grade (7 for A, 5 for B, 3 for c) added to actual numeric grade in the course.
This post was edited on 5/14/14 at 3:51 pm
Posted by FenrirTheBeard
NOLA
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 5/14/14 at 4:12 pm to
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If they got the same grades all four years in the toughest classes I don't see the harm in having that many.


I agree, but they should finalize it by comparing ACT scores.
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