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79 years ago today, the worst maritime disaster in human history

Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:51 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:51 pm
The sinking of the German liner, turned hospital ship, turned armed transport by a Soviet submarine, the ill-fated Wilhelm Gustloff.



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By one estimate,[3][4] 9,400 people died, making it the largest loss of life in a single ship sinking in history.


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The ship's complement and passenger lists cited 6,050 people on board, but these did not include the many individuals who boarded the ship without being listed in the official embarkation records. Heinz Schön, a German archivist and Gustloff survivor, researched the sinking during the 1980s and 1990s. He concluded that the ship was carrying a crew of 173 (naval armed forces auxiliaries); 918 officers, NCOs, and men of the 2 Unterseeboot-Lehrdivision; 373 female naval auxiliary helpers; 162 wounded soldiers; and 8,956 civilians, for a total of 10,582 passengers and crew.


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Wilhelm Gustloff was soon sighted by the Soviet submarine S-13, under the command of Captain Alexander Marinesko. The submarine sensor on board the escorting torpedo boat had frozen, rendering it inoperable, as had her anti-aircraft guns, leaving the vessels defenseless. Marinesko followed the ships to their starboard (seaward) side for two hours before making a daring move, surfacing his submarine and steering it around Wilhelm Gustloff's stern, to attack it from the port side closer to shore, from where the attack would be less expected. At around 9 pm (CET), Marinesko ordered his crew to launch four torpedoes at Wilhelm Gustloff's port side, about 30 km (16 nmi; 19 mi) offshore, between Großendorf and Leba.[citation needed]

The three torpedoes that were fired successfully all struck Wilhelm Gustloff on her port side. The first struck the ship's bow, causing watertight doors to seal off the area where off-duty crew members were sleeping. The second hit the accommodations for the women's naval auxiliary, located in the ship's drained swimming pool. It dislodged the pool tiles at high velocity, which caused high casualties; only three of the 373 women quartered there survived. The third torpedo scored a direct hit on the engine room located amidships, disabling all power and communications.

Reportedly, only nine lifeboats could be lowered; the rest had frozen in their davits and had to be broken free. About twenty minutes after the torpedoes' impact, Wilhelm Gustloff suddenly listed so dramatically to port that the lifeboats lowered on the high starboard side crashed into the ship's tilting side, destroying many lifeboats and spilling their occupants.


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German forces were able to rescue 1,252 people: the torpedo boat T36 rescued 564; the torpedo boat Löwe, 472; the minesweeper M387, 98; the minesweeper M375, 43; the minesweeper M341, 37; the steamer Göttingen, 28; the torpedo recovery boat (Torpedofangboot) TF19, 7; the freighter Gotenland, two; and the patrol boat (Vorpostenboot) V1703, one baby.[16] Thirteen of the survivors died later. All four captains on Wilhelm Gustloff survived her sinking


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Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:52 pm to
That’s not the Edmund Fitzgerald
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:54 pm to
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That’s not the Edmund Fitzgerald


9,400 > 29
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 6:58 pm to
Dunno if “disaster” is the right phrasing for the sinking of a warship in a war.

Idk, just weird to me.

Disaster implies “unfortunate accident to me.”
Posted by Bloodworth
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:04 pm to
Brutal story... I read about this event many years ago. The Russian sub captain was not celebrated for doing this deed to a non military vessel and he sought notoriety for years. The cowardly crew of the ship were among the first people to abandon ship in the few lifeboats. The water apparently was only a few degrees above freezing. Just terrible.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 7:06 pm
Posted by reggierayreb
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:06 pm to
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All four captains on Wilhelm Gustloff survived her sinking



Feiglinge
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:08 pm to
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That’s not the Edmund Fitzgerald



The Wreck of the Wilhelm Gustloff is a little harder to rhyme



the ship remains sunk, a sarcophagus hunk,
As the sea life and time knock the rust off,

And the churchbell it chimed,
Ninety Four hundred Damn times,
For each soul lost on the Wilhelm Gustloff.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 7:20 pm
Posted by MobileJosh
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:10 pm to
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That’s not the Edmund Fitzgerald



You are consistently one of the lamest posters on this site. Nice job.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:17 pm to
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The Russian sub captain was not celebrated for doing this deed to a non military vessel and he sought notoriety for years.


I’m kind of surprised he wasn’t celebrated in Russia since that eastern front theater was pretty savage. Not on the level of the pacific but still pretty savage compared to the western front.
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Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:18 pm to
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You are consistently one of the lamest posters on this site. Nice job.


It’s nice to be appreciated. Thanks.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:19 pm to
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Dunno if “disaster” is the right phrasing for the sinking of a warship in a war. Idk, just weird to me.


The vast majority of those killed were civilians, among them thousands of women and children.

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Disaster implies “unfortunate accident to me.”


Buy a dictionary.
Posted by Chrome
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:20 pm to
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And the churchbell it chimed,
Ninety Four Thousand Damn times,
For each soul lost on the Wilhelm Gustloff.


Wore the damn thing out.
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:22 pm to
Posted by LCA131
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:36 pm to
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9,400 > 29


Ok, Mr Math Maven!!!

Why wasn't a song written about this one...

Posted by csorre1
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 7:37 pm to
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Not on the level of the pacific but still pretty savage compared to the western front.



It was pretty bad. One of the ways the Russians repaired roads in 1942 was to have German POWs lie down in the road, then spray water on them to freeze them to death and give the road structure. One of Stalin's orders was to shoot any Russian citizen used as a human shield because by being captured they were betraying their country. An entire company drown when being sent across a fast moving river with no flotation because each level of command was more afraid of telling their supervisors it couldn't be done than the last.

Plus all of the obvious atrocities with murdering civilians and whatnot.
This post was edited on 1/30/24 at 7:58 pm
Posted by TheHarahanian
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:00 pm to

Supposed to be the location of the lost Amber Room from the Catherine Palace outside St. Petersburg.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:05 pm to
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Not on the level of the pacific but still pretty savage compared to the western front.


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It was pretty bad.


The main difference between the Germans in Russia and the Japanese in the Pacific, and especially China, is the Germans brought their talent in industrialization to bear in Russia and used it for murder.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:11 pm to
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Buy a dictionary.




“Accident or natural catastrophe”

First definition on the top listing.


I’m sure you’ll find some tertiary definition “validating” your snobbery, missing the point that I never said you were literally wrong, just that it doesn’t quite seem right with the connotation of the word.
Posted by WillieD
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:18 pm to
Make one of those toys of it
Posted by Pax Regis
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Posted on 1/30/24 at 8:22 pm to
They were Nazis

So that was a good start.
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