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re: 504s and IEPs are out of control these days.....

Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:53 am to
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1703 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 9:53 am to
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I had all that shite, they said I was bored, tested me for gifted. That was also behind my pace and boring, but I didn't get in trouble for it any longer.


This is actually incredibly common. People who are rule followers with a natural sense of focus do very well in average school settings. It doesn't mean they are "smarter" by general standards, it just means they will be great at peeling the banana and pulling the lever, rinse, repeat. Lots of very good, high paying jobs require only that you follow directions.

Ironically, lots of "C" students are the ones who wind up starting their own businesses and being leaders in their communities. They're macro thinkers and see the big picture. Sitting in a chair all day long following directions is torture.
Posted by concrete_tiger
Member since May 2020
7477 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:12 am to
I have a kid in a 504. It allows him to type instead of hand writing stuff like reports, essays, etc.

Some teachers would refuse to make this accommodation without the 504. The amount of stuff I hand-write in the real world today is about zero outside of shopping lists.

The kid is a high-A honors student and a great kid. He just cannot do things on paper as well as he can with a keyboard.

Not every accommodation is ADHD.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111908 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 10:26 am to
Mainstreaming, teachers unions and forced integration killed US public schools
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
Member since Feb 2025
1424 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:25 am to
Never seen so many park in handicapped zone until ACT test morning.
Posted by thejudge
Westlake, LA
Member since Sep 2009
15001 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:31 am to
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60% of all my students were on IEP or had some sort of ADHD meds. I was so naive to how medicated and how many kids have "disabilities".


Extra monies can be had in certain circumstances if a student is listed with some sort of issue and has an IEp.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:39 am to
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Why do you care?
A combination of issues arise from the current coddling of children.

Over-medication is not good, at all, and the overuse of ADHD medications are unhealthy.

Eventually these individuals will reach a situation where you are not afforded special treatment. They tend to not perform well and are unable to cope.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:41 am to
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He just cannot do things on paper as well as he can with a keyboard.
He would be able to write better if his father didn’t fold to his whims and coddle him.

Posted by GrassyKnoll556
Member since Feb 2025
322 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:54 am to
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I have a kid in a 504. It allows him to type instead of hand writing stuff like reports, essays, etc.


Geee., this kid is so much faster than all the others, I wonder why? So let's avoid working on our weaknesses and indoctrinate ourselves further into the reliance on tech. Right down to the basics of the written word?

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Some teachers would refuse to make this accommodation without the 504.


Well no shite, because it's not fair.

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The amount of stuff I hand-write in the real world today is about zero outside of shopping lists.

Not relevant, and certainly not an alibi to your kid getting to unfairly type shite instead of writing it out like everyone else does.

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He just cannot do things on paper as well as he can with a keyboard.

Well no shite, who can?
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:55 am to


The viewpoint of “he isn’t as good at that so he shouldn’t have to do it” is hilariously retarded.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 11:57 am
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59262 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 11:56 am to
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He just cannot do things on paper as well as he can with a keyboard.

He would be able to write better if his father didn’t fold to his whims and coddle him.


My kid performs much better if he is allowed to sit on a throne at school instead of a desk. We’re one more meeting with the district SPED team from making it happen.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
464309 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:07 pm to
quote:

I have a kid in a 504. It allows him to type instead of hand writing stuff like reports, essays, etc.

Some teachers would refuse to make this accommodation without the 504. The amount of stuff I hand-write in the real world today is about zero outside of shopping lists.

The kid is a high-A honors student and a great kid. He just cannot do things on paper as well as he can with a keyboard.

Not every accommodation is ADHD.

I'm so confused.

What is he diagnosed with?

Trust me, I can type a LOT faster than I can hand-write.

Note: I still hand-wrote exams in law school, but I wasn't psycho enough to hand-write my bar exam sections
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59262 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:10 pm to
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I'm so confused. What is he diagnosed with?


His official diagnosis is “I don’t want to use paper and pencil.” I bet his classmates love him.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58769 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:12 pm to
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Why do you care?
everyone should care

Honest people are getting fricked at every corner. Things like this absolutely impact college admissions, scholarships, etc

This is an example of 3rd worldification of our country
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:13 pm to
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What is he diagnosed with?

I can’t think of an appropriate ICD code for this one.
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50586 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:17 pm to
It used to be way easier but now u have to have a psycho-eval which is about 2grand out of pocket. And then the dr has to put in the diagnosis what accommodations. My kid has terrible, TERRIBLE testing anxiety so she is one of the ones that can get extra time but she has to ask for it. That kid had tutors and would know the crap up and down then would take the test and fail. Some kids actually do need it.
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:20 pm to
Ok, but what will you do when she has to hold down a job with timelines and stress?

Is the route of catering to the situation truly going to help in the long run?

This isn’t trying to be harsh, but how will she handle stressful situations in the future if she hasn’t learned to cope at a younger age?
Posted by tigafan4life
Member since Dec 2006
50586 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:24 pm to
I mean she has gotten skills to cope with it. She rarely ever asked for it. She used it twice for ACT also for high school finals for her math and science if she felt she needed it. She is not majoring in STEM in college but graphic design. She will be just fine in life. I didn't coddle her.


I'll add she was diagnosed with ADHD years ago too but hates the way that the meds make her a shell of herself so i told her thats fine you don't want to take them but you have to learn how to focus. If that means making lists and crossing things as you go then that's fine bur you have to find something that works for you. Better to learn some life skills instead of popping a pill. She struggles for sure with somethings like organization which is prob another reason being a fine arts major will suit her better than math or science.
This post was edited on 8/19/25 at 12:29 pm
Posted by Scruffy
Kansas City
Member since Jul 2011
76464 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 12:26 pm to
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I mean she has gotten skills to cope with it. She rarely ever asked for it. She used it twice for ACT also for high school finals for her math and science if she felt she needed it. She is not majoring in STEM in college but graphic design. She will be just fine in life. I didn't coddle her.
Gotcha.
Posted by CMBears1259
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
4697 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:02 pm to
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I see so many new parents justifying the screens because their kids are watching “educational” programming or using educational apps. All of those things have constant changing screens and moving objects….destroying attention spans. Amongst many other things.

I’ve mentioned it before, but it bears repeating as a warning to any new or soon to be parents here two of the worst mistakes I think my ex and I made as parents were giving the kids iPads way too early and not having them in daycare (we let my ex in-laws watch them). We found out my son was autistic after he had already gotten attached to his iPad and didn’t realize how harmful it would be to his development so now we have a 15 yo who, in many/most ways, has the mind of a toddler. It’s like his mind is trapped in a near constant state emotional imbalance and developmental delay.

Basically, garbage in, garbage out.

My daughter OTOH, is a typical 13yo girl, but between the exposure to social media and my ex being overly indulgent/unwilling to put her in her place it’s only exacerbated the normal attitude problems and inability to focus. Pretty sure my daughter has undiagnosed ADD that’s not helped by the screen time.
Posted by Defenseiskey
Houston, TX
Member since Nov 2010
1647 posts
Posted on 8/19/25 at 2:03 pm to
I have a buddy like that. He thinks we should quit subsidizing things like mental health and higher education but his little shithead son should get special treatment at school because he refuses to discipline him.

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