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re: 5 girls falsely accuse boy of sexual assalt...
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:19 pm to 13SaintTiger
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:19 pm to 13SaintTiger
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The research says the true percentage of false accusations is unknown.
Of course. The number of actual rapes is hard to pinpoint. The number of unreported rapes is hard to pinpoint. But anyone with life experience, or experience in the criminal justice system, knows there are many false rape allegations and many men sitting in prison who were convicted despite zero physical evidence.
But you’re dealing with a sky screaming chick here who doesn’t have sons.
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:20 pm to xiv
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All related court cases are a matter of public record. Rape outnumbers false allegations by more than 40:1.
Just lol. you refuse to acknowledge what constitutes a false rape allegation. Life must be really hard for you.
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 4:22 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:22 pm to biglego
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But you’re dealing with a sky screaming chick here who doesn’t have sons.
I just realized that. Pointless conversation then huh
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:23 pm to 13SaintTiger
As if counting court cases will yield an accurate number 
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:24 pm to biglego
quote:How many?
knows there are many false rape allegations and many men sitting in prison who were convicted despite zero physical evidence.
quote:Boys and men alike are more likely to be raped than falsely accused of rape.
But you’re dealing with a sky screaming chick here who doesn’t have sons.
You people are letting your emotions and not facts dictate your positions here.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:24 pm to biglego
quote:^ Scared of being wrong.
As if counting court cases will yield an accurate number
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:27 pm to xiv
quote:. How about you prove these stats are factual?
Facts don’t care about your feelings
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:31 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:Because I’m not doing your work for you. Be a big boy and do it yourself. You’ll be less emotional about this.
How about you prove this stats are factual?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:42 pm to 13SaintTiger
Reading through this thread feels like another piece of today's breaking political discourse.
Real numbers of false accusations and real sexual assaults are famously hard to objectively determine. Almost all of the debates on the subject seems to devolve into anecdotes which are then inappropriately extrapolated into truths about the subject as a whole.
My first reaction on reading the opinion that something worse than a false accusation was actually being raped was to instinctively agree. But then I started to think a little more and I think that may or may not be true.
If your life were functionally destroyed by the false accusation then perhaps not. Perhaps not even in the majority of those types of cases if we are talking about prison time. Loss of public reputation. Being labeled a sex offender. Often being targeted for physical and sexual abuse by others in or out of prison.
When you look at those types of life consequences I think many people might think that being
A victim of the physical and sexual assault of a rape to be comparable or perhaps even less damaging to your life in the long run than being the victim of a false accusation.
This does not mean that being a victim of rape is not horrifying. It also does not mean that we should not seek to severely punish rapists (serial rapists should perhaps receive mandatory life sentences). It just means that we live in a more complicated world when both men and women are theoretically free to mingle and have sex without cultivating long term relationships first.
Real numbers of false accusations and real sexual assaults are famously hard to objectively determine. Almost all of the debates on the subject seems to devolve into anecdotes which are then inappropriately extrapolated into truths about the subject as a whole.
My first reaction on reading the opinion that something worse than a false accusation was actually being raped was to instinctively agree. But then I started to think a little more and I think that may or may not be true.
If your life were functionally destroyed by the false accusation then perhaps not. Perhaps not even in the majority of those types of cases if we are talking about prison time. Loss of public reputation. Being labeled a sex offender. Often being targeted for physical and sexual abuse by others in or out of prison.
When you look at those types of life consequences I think many people might think that being
A victim of the physical and sexual assault of a rape to be comparable or perhaps even less damaging to your life in the long run than being the victim of a false accusation.
This does not mean that being a victim of rape is not horrifying. It also does not mean that we should not seek to severely punish rapists (serial rapists should perhaps receive mandatory life sentences). It just means that we live in a more complicated world when both men and women are theoretically free to mingle and have sex without cultivating long term relationships first.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 4:46 pm to molsusports
quote:Yep.
Almost all of the debates on the subject seems to devolve into anecdotes which are then inappropriately extrapolated into truths about the subject as a whole.
quote:It’s a silly thing for people to think.
When you look at those types of life consequences I think many people might think that being
A victim of the physical and sexual assault of a rape to be comparable or perhaps even less damaging to your life in the long run than being the victim of a false accusation.
This post was edited on 10/6/18 at 4:51 pm
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:09 pm to BruslyTiger
Good. Frick them for believing all they needed to do was make up a story
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:17 pm to xiv
Reading your posts in this thread doesn't make me think you are trying to have much of a conversation. But I will try to assume good intentions and see how a serious reply is treated.
The answer to the "which thing is worse" probably depends on the individual characteristics and the individual circumstances for the different hypothetical cases. I feel like a worst possible outcome like suicide or death (at the hands of an invested friend, family member, or unaffiliated party who involves themself in something they were not personally a part of) could happen to a victim of false accusations or a victim of rape. Certainly falsely accused people suffer life long consequences including violence such as prison rape. Being labeled a sex offender is another very serious harm done to an innocent person. And no reasonable person would deny that rape victims may also suffer life long consequences to their sense of well being or sexual function.
To believe that a generalization is always true probably just indicates a lack of openness to other possibilities.
The answer to the "which thing is worse" probably depends on the individual characteristics and the individual circumstances for the different hypothetical cases. I feel like a worst possible outcome like suicide or death (at the hands of an invested friend, family member, or unaffiliated party who involves themself in something they were not personally a part of) could happen to a victim of false accusations or a victim of rape. Certainly falsely accused people suffer life long consequences including violence such as prison rape. Being labeled a sex offender is another very serious harm done to an innocent person. And no reasonable person would deny that rape victims may also suffer life long consequences to their sense of well being or sexual function.
To believe that a generalization is always true probably just indicates a lack of openness to other possibilities.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:21 pm to molsusports
quote:The boys in this thread and the “believe all women” people don’t want conversation. They base their positions on emotion and not numbers, so I mock them. Both groups show contempt for rape victims by speaking up before they’ve learned facts.
Reading your posts in this thread doesn't make me think you are trying to have much of a conversation.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:32 pm to xiv
quote:
The boys in this thread and the “believe all women” people don’t want conversation. They base their positions on emotion and not numbers, so I mock them. Both groups show contempt for rape victims by speaking up before they’ve learned facts.
“the boys in this thread”
you are the most intellectually dishonest person in this thread and you keep posting as if you stand on some righteous pedestal when you look completely ignorant in this thread. Posted on 10/6/18 at 5:35 pm to 13SaintTiger
quote:Nope. Just available statistics.
some righteous pedestal
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:13 pm to xiv
So you are perfectly fine with all these girls falsely accusing these boys of rape and ruining their lives when they are innocent?
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:40 pm to molsusports
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My first reaction on reading the opinion that something worse than a false accusation was actually being raped was to instinctively agree. But then I started to think a little more and I think that may or may not be true
Right. Like John Kinsel, who was convicted of rape in 1999 and remains in Angola. His conviction was based solely on the accuser’s testimony—and she has since recanted. Yet he will never be free.
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And this idiot xiv thinks there are actually hard numbers on this, and that simply counting court cases will give you those numbers. You wouldn’t be able to count John Kinsel’s accuser when counting court cases.
I used to be good friends with a woman who had a man arrested for a false rape charge. She actually was finally prosecuted for the false claim but only bc the accused luckily had video of the incident. Without that video, and most rape cases don’t have video, he might be in prison and she’d certainly not have been charged with the false accusation.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:42 pm to xiv
quote:
The boys in this thread and the “believe all women” people don’t want conversation. They base their positions on emotion and not numbers, so I mock them.
Bc you are ignorant enough to believe that good hard statistics exist. You clearly have no experience in the criminal justice system and you’ve been lucky enough to not be on the wrong end of a rape accusation.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:54 pm to biglego
I honestly think the stats on "how many" false allegations occur are irrelevant.
Let's say someone proved that 99% of rape accusations are true.
I'm thinking that the 1% of dudes falsely accused would still appreciate a presumption of innocence when accused.
Let's say someone proved that 99% of rape accusations are true.
I'm thinking that the 1% of dudes falsely accused would still appreciate a presumption of innocence when accused.
Posted on 10/6/18 at 7:59 pm to xiv
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Facts don’t care about your feelings. You’re letting the media take you for a ride. There are more unreported rapes than there are false allegations. Only little boys worry about false allegations. Be a big boy.
bullshite. There is no way to prove that one way or another. The unreported number is just a statistical guess.
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