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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:11 pm to
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:11 pm to
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if I personally had to choose between being raped and going to jail for 10 years to life for a false rape accusation I think it would probably be easier to recover from being raped.
Fine, but that wasn’t the question.

Raped or falsely accused? It’s a no-brainer. If you’re falsely accused, you have a higher chance of not going to jail and still getting raped than you do of going to jail.
Posted by BPTiger
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:21 pm to
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xiv


Godmode troll level.

For the sake of humanity I hope xim (used frickery gender pronoun in case not) is trolling
Posted by TutHillTiger
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:23 pm to
You should see all the allegations in child support cases. It’s unreal
Posted by Tunasntigers92
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:23 pm to
I would sue them all out of existence
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:28 pm to
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Godmode troll level.
I’m not trolling anyone. I’m 100% correct, and there are a lot of men acting crazy in this thread. It isn’t my problem.

Rape is worse than false allegations, and rape is exponentially more common than false allegations. Men who deny this are either stupid or lying.
Posted by Nguyener
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Posted on 10/6/18 at 11:57 pm to
[quote]xiv[/quote
frick you
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:07 am to
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rape is exponentially more common than false allegations



Seems statistically impossible given the number of high profile cases which have been shown to be false.

And this type of language is part of the problem. It pits people who are concerned about their own interests in opposition to others who are concerned with their own perspective. What should be hoped for is more neutral language and an emphasis on due process for both potential victims.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:17 am to
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Seems statistically impossible given the number of high profile cases which have been shown to be false.
They get such a high profile because they’re so rare. Surprised that isn’t obvious.
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It pits people who are concerned about their own interests in opposition to others who are concerned with their own perspective.
Im not taking the heat for that. It used to be almost all women who do this, but men are starting to do it, too, and it’s ridiculous: they see something horrible on tv and think “If it could happen there, it could happen anywhere. *I’m* anywhere right now! I’d better sleep with one eye open!”

It’s a known fact that women are raped often enough that they have to mitigate their risk regularly. False allegations do not happen often enough for men to have to change up their normal routine. It is nonsensical for men to see false allegations as some equal and opposite concern to the way women see and fear rape.

And for what it’s worth, I only reply like a smart arse to people who come in calling names and taking jabs at me. I didn’t fire the first shot here, so if people are going to treat this subject matter with contempt, I have no problem having a little fun at their expense.

At any rate, I appreciate your level-headed approach. You seem like a nice person.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 12:20 am
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:21 am to
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At any rate, I appreciate your level-headed approach. You seem like a nice person.




aren't you the one calling everyone that offers an opinion that doesn't support your 100 % Crazy and unhinged ?


Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:23 am to
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aren't you the one calling everyone that offers an opinion that doesn't support your 100 % Crazy and unhinged ?
Obviously not, given the quote you presented.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:26 am to
youre crazy and unhinged


probably fat
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:40 am to
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They get such a high profile because they’re so rare. Surprised that isn’t obvious.


Not so much. Generally the routine cases get maybe a day or two of coverage and disappear. The Duke and Virginia types stories were examples of high profile outrage in which the defendants were tried and found guilty in the court of public opinion and then only retroactively and begrudgingly found to be the opposite. The hum drum regular joe cases of the falsely convicted obviously get even less coverage.

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Im not taking the heat for that. It used to be almost all women who do this, but men are starting to do it, too, and it’s ridiculous:


Claiming status as a victim has become the go to move for anyone who wants to be treated with respect in public forums of debate. I agree if you believe it is ridiculous in almost all cases.

Even people who survive the most severe forms of violence (e.g. attempted murder with mutilation/PTSD, etc) should probably not imprison themselves within the label of being a victim. They are people who were victimized in some way but it is not psychologically healthy to define yourself by the (or one of the) worst things to ever happen.

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It’s a known fact that women are raped often enough that they have to mitigate their risk regularly.


I think you should re-examine every part of your assumptions here. Men in the United States are apparently raped in greater numbers than women (large amounts of this obviously in prison).

Violence including rape as a whole in the United States (and in almost all of the world) has also decreased steadily over recent decades. So I'm not sure where your idea comes from that women now have to adjust their behavior. Compared to when it was more dangerous and your chances of being a victim of violence were larger? That doesn't make much sense.

Perhaps you don't think this is a new thing or you even realize it happens much less now than it once did? Fair enough. But then you'd have to make the same type of platitude about men who take precautions to avoid being victims of violence (after all, violence is disproportionately likely to both be committed by men and to victimize men compared to women).

Which is also true, but being at risk of bad things happening to you is part of being in the world and interacting with other people and things.
Posted by GeauxLSUGeaux
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 12:54 am to
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False rape accusations are also, by the numbers, a far less prevalent issue than actual rape


Falsely accusing rape is the most falsely accused crime by a wide margin. Nobody condones rape, if anything these false accusations hinder the stories of actual rape victims.
Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:07 am to
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So I'm not sure where your idea comes from that women now have to adjust their behavior.
No, I didn’t mean it like that at all. Yes, violence of virtually all types has decreased throughout history, but there has never been a time when women in general didn’t have to look out for wolves in the forest. Men simply have never had to protect themselves from the possibility of being falsely accused the way women have had to protect themselves from violent men.
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Men in the United States are apparently raped in greater numbers than women (large amounts of this obviously in prison).
I wonder where you got that from. RAINN reports that 1 in 10 victims is male.
Posted by biglego
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:23 am to
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You should see all the allegations in child support cases. It’s unreal

Yep. And these dubious allegations wont be counted in any official statistics.
Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:37 am to
Whatever their perspective we should be very suspicious of any numbers coming from any advocacy group. if you want one of any number of more credible references you could consider the bureau of justice statistics. Their data were collected between 1973 and 2016.

In surveying households randomly for anonymous responses they found that 38% of respondents who identified a sexual history consistent with being raped were men. But that excluded the prison population. The numbers of people raped in prisons are also famously hard to obtain but the rates of incidence typically range from 5% to 40% among a population that is obviously disproportionately male (men are more likely to commit crimes than women and more likely than women to be sentenced to prison when they are tried).

The stereotype is of course that women do not rape men but it seems to turn out that when you ask questions in a gender blind manner and do not rule out a person as a perpetrator or victim on the basis of their gender the rates of sexual assault and rape even out a lot more than we might intuitively believe they would.

LINK
Posted by Armchair_QB
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 1:59 am to
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I’m a bald, hairy, married man FYI. False rape allegations are too rare for this macro concern to be justified. You people are being crazy and emotional and should calm down, read up a little, and accept that you’ll never be at any significant risk of anything like this. You’re more likely to be raped, honestly.


Male or female, you’re a fricking piece of shite and I hope to God you haven’t reproduced.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 6:34 am to
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Imbalanced, binary media coverage + dumb people watching too much tv are what cause the negative effect you mention
No, false accusers cause the negative affect.
Posted by CarrolltonTiger
New Orleans
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 8:16 am to
If one has to make a stupid choice like you suggest, here is a better hypothetical:

You have a son --- would you rather he is accused of rape falsely and his life ruined, he gets jail time, put on a sex offender list, loss of education and future employment; or would you rather he get butt fricked, suffer the " trauma" of the event but be allowed to recover through the justice system and keep his future intact?

Posted by xiv
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Posted on 10/7/18 at 8:27 am to
Thanks for the info.
This post was edited on 10/7/18 at 8:27 am
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