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re: 4 day work week- California bill would lead the way
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:37 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:37 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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I don’t necessarily disagree but I still don’t think 40 hours/week to make a living is soul crushing or whatever
Idk. Comes down to priorities. I spend the majority of my days doing shite I don't like to make money so I can have a nice lifestyle for myself and my family, but then I get like 2 hours of fun time with my kid before his bedtime routine, then like 1 hour to finish up house chores and an hour to chill out after that. Do it again, every workday. Starts to feel like shite's real backwards. You spend more time working than tending to your family, your house, your personal goals.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 5:38 pm
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Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:45 pm to Hulkklogan
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You spend more time working than tending to your family, your house, your personal goals.
I think that's been the case for hundreds of years. I don't think companies are going to just agree to pay the same for 80% of the work.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:49 pm to fallguy_1978
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I don't think companies are going to just agree to pay the same for 80% of the work.
I never insinuated anything of the like.
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I think that's been the case for hundreds of years
True. it's better now than it's ever been as far as work/life balance goes, for most of us.
With coming automation waves we should be able to figure some things out.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 5:50 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 5:57 pm to TigerintheNO
Clearly designed to incentivize employers to roll over and let unions in.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:04 pm to fallguy_1978
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think that's been the case for hundreds of years. I don't think companies are going to just agree to pay the same for 80% of the work.
We are barely 2 generations removed from single income families.
There would be a rebalancing but to think after moving from companies extracting 40 hours out of the average household and jumping to 80, we couldn’t rebalance at 64 seems a bit silly. Especially with the average worker being capable of producing much more output.
Half this board could get their 40 hours done in 32 if not for time spent here
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:13 pm to Stamps74
I never quite understood, for a lot of jobs, why the expectation is that you're there 10-3 everyday, but beyond that, you're not monitored so long as you're getting the job done.
Obviously, you'd often have to get there earlier than 10 and leave later than 3, but how many people (in white collar, salaried jobs) are honestly doing more than 25 hours of actual work a week anyways. And I mean actually working, not BS'ing with colleagues, surfing the internet, etc..
People would probably have to work at least 9-4 anyways, but at least there would be flexibility there. Because, ultimately, the most important thing is getting the job done correctly, not counting hours worked.
Obviously, you'd often have to get there earlier than 10 and leave later than 3, but how many people (in white collar, salaried jobs) are honestly doing more than 25 hours of actual work a week anyways. And I mean actually working, not BS'ing with colleagues, surfing the internet, etc..
People would probably have to work at least 9-4 anyways, but at least there would be flexibility there. Because, ultimately, the most important thing is getting the job done correctly, not counting hours worked.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:22 pm to NoSaint
quote:i see this sentiment often but i don't really agree with it
get their 40 hours done in 32
unless you're a coder or have some other job that's completely independent from other people, you most likely need to have a window of availability for your coworkers and bosses. i get that every industry is different but i think a lot of people overestimate how independent their job is, but idk maybe im wrong. i was in finance which can be pretty fast paced and it got annoying when people decided to go walk their dog or some shite for half an hour on a Wednesday at 2pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:29 pm to pelicansfan123
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but how many people (in white collar, salaried jobs) are honestly doing more than 25 hours of actual work a week anyways
I've seen articles that estimate that most office workers were getting ~2.5 hours/week of actual work done prior COVID and WFH. No idea what that looks like now, buy I get waaaaay more done at home
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:46 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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see this sentiment often but i don't really agree with it
unless you're a coder or have some other job that's completely independent from other people, you most likely need to have a window of availability for your coworkers and bosses. i get that every industry is different but i think a lot of people overestimate how independent their job is, but idk maybe im wrong. i was in finance which can be pretty fast paced and it got annoying when people decided to go walk their dog or some shite for half an hour on a Wednesday at 2pm
What does walking your dog at 2 pm have to do with any of this though?
You really can’t function without more than 32 hours access to you hourly employees and probably 40 or so still with your salaried?
Posted on 4/9/22 at 6:51 pm to NoSaint
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There would be a rebalancing but to think after moving from companies extracting 40 hours out of the average household and jumping to 80, we couldn’t rebalance at 64 seems a bit silly. Especially with the average worker being capable of producing much more output.
Half this board could get their 40 hours done in 32 if not for time spent here
I doubt companies are going to roll over and accept fewer hours for the same pay or more salary. And this largely ingores salaried workers anyway which is a significant portion of full time jobs. I don't make a dime more now whether I work 60 hrs or 32.
This post was edited on 4/9/22 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:15 pm to TigerintheNO
My firm does the 4 day week. It's incredible.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:17 pm to TigerintheNO
Nothing gets the OT riled up quite like California 
Posted on 4/9/22 at 7:18 pm to upgrade
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Why wouldn’t they move to a 4-10 schedule?
I'd kill for this schedule.
Posted on 4/9/22 at 9:56 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
I can tell you that when I started my business I worked several years at 100 plus hours a week. I knew I was building something for myself although. When someone tells me 40 plus hours is too much I realize that this person prob would never be able to start their own business with that type mind set. If I were an salary worker I'd also want to get paid for 40 but only work 10, but that is not the real world.
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