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re: 38,000 americans died in France....
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:49 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:49 pm to Darth_Vader
What did they tell y'all the CR would be when you crossed into Kuwait in GW1? I've heard some people say they were told 75%.
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Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:52 pm to tigahbruh
I thought Okinawa and Battle of the Bugle were considered bloodier but that may be semantics
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:54 pm to tigahbruh
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The Battle of Normandy occurred from June 6- August 30. It was not just one day.
The deadliest campaign in US history. Second deadliest is Meuse-Argonne from World War One.
Just to clarify, Operation Overlord period was June 6 to Aug 30. During the “Overlord” period the US suffered 20,000 dead with about 125,000 casualties. Following that though the overall Normandy Campaign moved onto phases like Operation Cobra that also is considered part of the Normandy Campaign lasting until Sept. 14.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:57 pm to upgrayedd
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What did they tell y'all the CR would be when you crossed into Kuwait in GW1? I've heard some people say they were told 75%.
We were told to expect “heavy” casualties. I remember our platoon Sgt telling us right before we set out “the good news is a tanker’s death is usually instant. The bad news is you’ll find out jsut how instant in just a few hours”.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 12:58 pm to Kafka
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and you capitalized France but not Americans?
Kafka actually had a worthwhile response
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:00 pm to Picayuner
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38,000 americans died in France....
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on this day 74 years ago
History is hard.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:00 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Not only is your stat absurdly wrong, it throws into sharp relief just how many fricking Russians were pulverized to essentially protect this great country.
His stat is not totally wrong. His initial statement included only Americans instead of Allies (UK, Canada, Australia, some French resistance forces)
But...here we go with the friggin [in 10 year old girl voice] "The Russians won World War II" people.
...sigh...
The Russians proved to be just as destructive, rapacious, and horrific as the Nazis were to anyone who wasn't Jewish. And their evil regime lasted in Eastern Europe for a whole other generation.
Russia, in the "Great Patriotic War," made deals with Hitler in order to annex and rape Poland and then proceeded to rape its way West after breaking out at Stalingrad.
Russia did jack squat to protect any American. They saw us as the enemy and we, rightly, saw them as such. Even FDR's namby pamby attitude toward Russia shifted from sympathetic to suspicious by the time he died.
It is truly absurd and disturbing what the Leftists running college history programs have brainwashed their students with. Pure rubbish.
GD Commie bastards as our saviors.... Good God....
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:03 pm to Picayuner
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38,000 americans died in France
Holy shite! Was this on wikipedia or something?
How many Americans were killed in WWII? Around 300k-400k? And about 2% of them were killed in 1 day?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:03 pm to Big Scrub TX
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it throws into sharp relief just how many fricking Russians were pulverized
As the Germans called it, "The Eastern Front" lasted 1417 days, from 22 June 1941 to 8 May 1945. Using an early post-Soviet estimate (Krivosheev) Red Army KIA are ~6 1/3 million during this period.
Or the equivalent of the Western Allies KIAs on D-Day - every single day for nearly 4 years.
Let that sink in.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:07 pm to OweO
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How many Americans were killed in WWII? Around 300k-400k? And about 2% of them were killed in 1 day?
It is actually a sad we are arguing over exact numbers.
Truth is,many men died this day in 1944.
We should honor those men.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:11 pm to athenslife101
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I thought Okinawa and Battle of the Bugle were considered bloodier
Okinawa had ~12.5k U.S. KIA, but that was from 1 April '45 to 18 June '45 (69 days).
Battle of the Bulge had ~19 to 19.5k U.S. KIA (200 Allied, mostly UK) from 16 December '44 to 25 January '45 (41 days).
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:13 pm to ksayetiger
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It is actually a sad we are arguing over exact numbers.
No, it isn't. It's sad they had to die to begin with, but precision is necessary to accurately value and honor each sacrifice.
And the truth is - we'll never know - it's an unknowable thing from an exact precision standpoint. However, we should strive to be as accurate as possible under the circumstances, IMHO.
Come on here and say 4 million people died on 9/11 and I'll politely, but firmly, correct you. Nature of the beast. It isn't (at least not me) meant to diminish or demean, merely clarify and make accurate.
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:19 pm to tigahbruh
quote:I didn't say the Russians were good guys. I insinuated that WWII would not have been won without them. And it wouldn't have. There's a reason for the whole "Uncle Joe" thing.
The Russians proved to be just as destructive, rapacious, and horrific as the Nazis were to anyone who wasn't Jewish. And their evil regime lasted in Eastern Europe for a whole other generation.
Russia, in the "Great Patriotic War," made deals with Hitler in order to annex and rape Poland and then proceeded to rape its way West after breaking out at Stalingrad.
Russia did jack squat to protect any American. They saw us as the enemy and we, rightly, saw them as such. Even FDR's namby pamby attitude toward Russia shifted from sympathetic to suspicious by the time he died.
It is truly absurd and disturbing what the Leftists running college history programs have brainwashed their students with. Pure rubbish.
GD Commie bastards as our saviors.... Good God...
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:20 pm to Ace Midnight
If we’re talking bloodiest day in American history, that happens 82 years before D-Day on Sep. 17, 1862. It took place near Sharpsburg, Maryland where the Confederate Army of Northern Virgina under Gen. R.E. Lee and the US Army of the Potomac under Gen. G.B. McClellan inflicted a combined 22,717 killed, wounded, and missing on one another.
That is is single bloodiest day in American history.
That is is single bloodiest day in American history.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:21 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Yeah, it's truly insane. The Dan Carlin series on the Eastern Front was bone chilling. I'm paraphrasing, but I think he said one observer remarked that the Soviet strategy appeared to be to count the German ammo and then have at least one more Soviet soldier in the line than that.
As the Germans called it, "The Eastern Front" lasted 1417 days, from 22 June 1941 to 8 May 1945. Using an early post-Soviet estimate (Krivosheev) Red Army KIA are ~6 1/3 million during this period.
Or the equivalent of the Western Allies KIAs on D-Day - every single day for nearly 4 years.
Let that sink in.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:27 pm to Ace Midnight
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The Eastern Front
I doubt the extent of that war is taught much in garden variety history classes. Wasn't in my schooling, anyway. I've now read 2-3 books so just an amateur on the subject.
It should be required though. The definition of "epic struggle" and wasn't that long ago, really.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:30 pm to TejasHorn
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I doubt the extent of that war is taught much in garden variety history classes. Wasn't in my schooling, anyway. I've now read 2-3 books so just an amateur on the subject.
It should be required though. The definition of "epic struggle" and wasn't that long ago, really.
If you want to gain a good grasp of the Eastern Front if WWII, govto Amazon and search for John Erickson. His first book is The Road to Stalingrad. His second volume is The Road to Berlin. These two books dig deep into the Eastern Front.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:30 pm to Darth_Vader
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If we’re talking bloodiest day in American history, that happens 82 years before D-Day on Sep. 17, 1862. It took place near Sharpsburg, Maryland where the Confederate Army of Northern Virgina under Gen. R.E. Lee and the US Army of the Potomac under Gen. G.B. McClellan inflicted a combined 22,717 killed, wounded, and missing on one another.
That is is single bloodiest day in American history.
Darth, since you seem to know a lot about wars.. Are civil wars generally more brutal than wars between different countries?
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:32 pm to OweO
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Darth, since you seem to know a lot about wars.. Are civil wars generally more brutal than wars between different countries?
They tend to be more savage due to the personal nature of the war coupled with the fact that instead of involving professional armies they usually involve irregular forces who lack discipline.
Posted on 6/6/18 at 1:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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That is is single bloodiest day in American history.
Yeah, but it's 2018, so it's discounted by half. Sad to say it, but that's reality now.
From an official standpoint, that's still up there, though, with US Army reporting KIAs of about 2100 for Antietam, that's in the ballpark of D-Day and Pearl Harbor (although a little behind both).
Americans, generally, must be fairly hardy - the English and French have managed single day losses of over 20k KIA on a number of occasions. Even killing each other at a pretty good clip over 2 or 3 days, we never did that (Pittsburg Landing and Gettysburg).
This post was edited on 6/6/18 at 1:39 pm
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