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re: $3,800 for New Electrical panel, ground, and surge protector.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:14 pm to EA6B
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:14 pm to EA6B
Even today aluminum small wires are not recommended due to the amount of expansion they see under loads. They just aren't reliable even with proper termination.
Large wires like feeders are more safe because they are sized for loads they will not see and therefore not see such extreme temperature changes.
Large wires like feeders are more safe because they are sized for loads they will not see and therefore not see such extreme temperature changes.
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Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:16 pm to Clames
It is my mom's house, yes I understand aluminum wiring.
The cable boxes cut off when the lights dim, and ups will beep.
He also quoted just under 10k to replace all switches/plugs in her house. 3k if main needed replacing.
LUS has been to the house and stated it was on her side.
The cable boxes cut off when the lights dim, and ups will beep.
He also quoted just under 10k to replace all switches/plugs in her house. 3k if main needed replacing.
LUS has been to the house and stated it was on her side.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 6:18 pm to highpockets
A lot of unknown here.
What amperage.
ARCFI's installed.
Permits.
Stem length and/or thru the roof.
Panel/breaker type.
You get the drift?
What amperage.
ARCFI's installed.
Permits.
Stem length and/or thru the roof.
Panel/breaker type.
You get the drift?
Posted on 1/18/17 at 7:09 pm to kengel2
I had a surge a few years back, took out a lot of my low voltage AC stuff. AC control, a TV, a satellite box, the doorbell transformer and some cameras. I see appliance controls fried by surges all the time. Many now have line filters to prevent this.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 7:13 pm to highpockets
I got a bid of $2500 for similar work to my condo. 1500 sqft.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 7:13 pm to highpockets
I wouldn't hesitate to buy an old house, but not one wired with aluminum.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 7:14 pm to East Coast Band
quote:No Way would I buy aluminum wiring home, unless I was rewiring with copper
but not one wired with aluminum.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 8:31 pm to notsince98
Today's aluminum wiring would use an improved alloy if it was still readily available. One they figured out a few decades ago.
Which makes this statement a complete lie since even countries with more strict electrical codes still allow for aluminum wiring with proper connections.
Which makes this statement a complete lie since even countries with more strict electrical codes still allow for aluminum wiring with proper connections.
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They just aren't reliable even with proper termination.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:29 pm to Clames
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My house is older and has aluminum wiring.
You are very lucky. And you want everyone else to live their lives as if they are as lucky as you.
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the wiring is safe
I specifically bolded the following for you and you want everyone to ignore it because you are having a good time with your aluminum wiring:
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there were some issues related to the properties of the wire itself, making the installations with aluminum wire much more susceptible to problems.
Based on your singular experience you want to set national safety standards. Totally ignore the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).
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in some areas it may be difficult to obtain homeowners insurance for a house with older aluminum wiring.
If you believe so strongly in what you have posted here, call your insurance company and make sure they know you have aluminum wiring.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:38 pm to highpockets
Fn ripoff. Anyone who says that's reasonable is fn crazy.
Posted on 1/18/17 at 11:41 pm to highpockets
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He also quoted just under 10k to replace all switches/plugs in her house. 3k if main needed replacing.
Holy crap
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:07 am to highpockets
Call your electrical provider and tell them to check the transformer closes to your house. This can be due to an offset amount of power coming into your house. We just finished remodeling a house that was built in the 1900's and had to update Wiring because most the house had cloth wiring. We also changed out the electrical panel.
The lights still flickered when turning on major appliances even with all the updates. Entergy fixed the problem on their side in a few minutes without being charged.
The lights still flickered when turning on major appliances even with all the updates. Entergy fixed the problem on their side in a few minutes without being charged.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:10 am to ATL-TIGER-732
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You are very lucky. And you want everyone else to live their lives as if they are as lucky as you.
Nothing to do with luck. I just know what I'm talking about and know plenty of electricians. I have proper perspective and context on this issue, you only have hyperbole and ignorance right now.
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I specifically bolded the following for you and you want everyone to ignore it because you are having a good time with your aluminum wiring:
I want no such thing. If you had the education to understand my first post properly, you would have understood the point I was making. But you want to be a damned idiot with first page Google results.
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Based on your singular experience you want to set national safety standards. Totally ignore the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC).
More hyperbole and ignorance from a child that knows nothing. Have you ever read any National Electrical Code publication on this matter in the last four decades? I got money saying you don't even know such a thing exists. The issues with aluminum wiring are known, solutions were made (improved aluminum alloy/compatible connections/better installation practices/etc), but the damage was done as far as builders and manufacturers were concerned such that even though today aluminum wiring could be safely used (and still be cheaper than copper) there is no fixing the massed ignorance of people like you. Do yourself a favor and go read the standards set by people who actually know what they are talking about and not some bureaucratic agency that bans chocolate Kinder eggs.
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If you believe so strongly in what you have posted here, call your insurance company and make sure they know you have aluminum wiring.
Oh they know child, they knew before I purchased the house and so does the VA. That's why I'm here schooling your dumb arse on this issue. Properly terminated, aluminum wire is no less safe than copper wiring and you can go look up what the NEC says if you still think differently.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 1:11 am
Posted on 1/19/17 at 1:38 am to Clames
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Oh they know child, they knew before I purchased the house and so does the VA. That's why I'm here schooling your dumb arse on this issue. Properly terminated, aluminum wire is no less safe than copper wiring and you can go look up what the NEC says if you still think differently.
Everything you have stated has zero relevance to a house wired with AL prior to 1972.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 6:59 am to highpockets
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The cable boxes cut off when the lights dim, and ups will beep.
You likely have a problem with the service drop. The symptoms you're describing are textbook.
Also, $3800 sounds a bit high to me to just replace the panel and ground rod. Materials shouldn't cost more than $500 (that's being generous) and a competent electrician and helper should be able to do it in half a day in most cases.
If he is rebuilding the entire service (panel, meter, riser, feeders, two ground rods, etc), $3800 is a little closer, but still very high.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 2:47 pm to Clames
I bet you did not find this in your codes.
The Fire Dangers of Aluminum Wiring
FEB. 19, 2006
ACCORDING to the Consumer Product Safety Commission:
Several methods are available, but the commission recommends only two.
One -- complete replacement of the system -- is typically too expensive for many homeowners
The other, he said, is to replace every connection in every outlet, switch and junction box with a copper pigtail using a special Copalum connection -- a short piece of copper wire is bonded to the aluminum wire using a tool designed specifically for the task. The copper wire makes the connection.
Notice that their first method is complete replacement of the aluminum wiring!
The second method is for poor people.
The Fire Dangers of Aluminum Wiring
FEB. 19, 2006
quote:
While it might be tempting to believe that a home with aluminum wiring is safe because the wiring hasn't caused a problem for 30 or 40 years, that is a dangerous misconception.
ACCORDING to the Consumer Product Safety Commission:
Several methods are available, but the commission recommends only two.
One -- complete replacement of the system -- is typically too expensive for many homeowners
The other, he said, is to replace every connection in every outlet, switch and junction box with a copper pigtail using a special Copalum connection -- a short piece of copper wire is bonded to the aluminum wire using a tool designed specifically for the task. The copper wire makes the connection.
Notice that their first method is complete replacement of the aluminum wiring!
The second method is for poor people.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 4:51 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
2010 I paid just over $1000 to have a new electrical panel put in. This was in PA. I thought that was high.
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