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re: 25th anniversary of waco
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:40 pm to TiggerB8t
Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:40 pm to TiggerB8t
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they were bad people
No one will argue this on Koresh....but I'd say no one can prove that applies to anyone else in that building. I think the tapes of conversations between Steve Schneider and the FBI negotiators shows he was a pretty good guy.
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Posted on 2/28/18 at 4:41 pm to TGFN57
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Not to mention they murdered 4 ATF agents.
ATF caps with faux bullet holes were a popular item at gun shows for years after.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:05 pm to jbgleason
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There was only one “raid.” As the agents were getting out of the cattle trailers, the team in the first truck went to the front door. Koresh was standing in the open doorway as they entered the fenced courtyard. He stepped inside and slammed the door. Two of the agents ran to the door to try to force entry and were both shot through the closed front door. The rest of the Davidians then began firing from the windows of the compound and it was on.
The statements about “shootIng the dogs” isn’t correct as stated here. That was a comment from one of the New Orleans guys who had run to the side of the building and couldn’t see what was happening out front. He later stated that when he heard the initial gunfire he thought that maybe it was the agents out front engaging the dogs. They had planned for that and warned the other agents not to start shooting just because they heard gunfire because it was likely they would have to shoot the guard dogs. It was quickly determined that was not what was happening when they started taking fire from the windows.
Well now we know who is some type of law enforcement, they can do no wrong, right?
Koresh was shot in the doorway. Nothing adds up with your version of events especially with the defensive nature of the Davidians. There should of been a lot more than 4 dead if they were springing a trap.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:08 pm to TiggerB8t
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According to my sister's neighbor, the ATF officer, there were two agents, not four, (him being one of them) who approached the front door. The door was shut, and the ATF agents were shot as they approached the front door.....no attack by any other officers on any Koresh followers beforehand.
It seems like simple logic that there is likely one of two possibilities - the agents approached the door with guns ablazing....which makes no sense due to the immediate danger to those officers as well as potentially children inside.....or, the Koresh clan shot first. I believe my sister's friend on this. Koresh shot first.
You realize while these agents were progressing to the door, there were 70+ other agents at the compound and helicopters buzzing around right, that's if your buddy isn't lying?
A lot of shite happened and the congression hearings and your buddy probably has reports all over this subject. Try reading that. He would state to your sister exactly what he said in that.
I am sure we can find that, it's no real secret who was there. What's his name?
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 5:11 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:13 pm to lsu1919
I was at Louisiana Downs negotiating a contract. Well, it was more like, "This is what it'll be, or else you see that fire on TV? Sign here." 
True story.
True story.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:19 pm to Midtiger farm
That is for him to live with, not me. Thankfully, I wasn't in the line of fire like he was, nor am I, 25 years later, living with the scrutiny by others (such as you) who seem to know the "real truth".
I've asked for facts, but mainly gotten opinions ....and like they say...just like assholes, everybody has one.
I've asked for facts, but mainly gotten opinions ....and like they say...just like assholes, everybody has one.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:24 pm to Dam Guide
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Well now we know who is some type of law enforcement, they can do no wrong, right?
Koresh was shot in the doorway. Nothing adds up with your version of events especially with the defensive nature of the Davidians.
What is it with people who think they know what happened out there and get so assholish to others defending their version? I clearly stated throughout this thread that ATF and FBI made numerous mistakes during the event. But that doesn’t change what happened. Four agents were killed and over 30 were shot. That’s about 50% casualties. That doesn’t seem like enough to call it an ambush?
BTW, Koresh wasn’t shot in the doorway. He was shot upstairs in his living quarters / the armory in a confrontation with an agent that occurred at a few feet. The agent identified him by sight when he shot him.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:29 pm to TiggerB8t
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I've asked for facts, but mainly gotten opinions ....and like they say...just like assholes, everybody has one.
I told you to read the reports online several times because you will get nothing but oversimplified answers here. Why would you want me to explain it instead of reading what’s out there and then complain about the parts I do oversimplify? Then you talk about crap that simply did not happen in any of the reports and expect us to believe you because you have a buddy that you don’t seem to want to name.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:30 pm to jbgleason
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What is it with people who think they know what happened out there and get so assholish to others defending their version?
I don’t know what happened and unwilling to state what exactly happened, however you put out an exactly what happened version. Your version of springing a trap doesn’t line up. Why would they allow the ATF to collect their wounded if their goal was death on the ATF? They operated completely defensive. The photos from that day really tell a different story than your ATF farce.
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BTW, Koresh wasn’t shot in the doorway. He was shot upstairs in his living quarters / the armory in a confrontation with an agent that occurred at a few feet. The agent identified him by sight when he shot him.
There you go again stating opinion as facts. We don’t know the truth.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 6:08 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 5:46 pm to jbgleason
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The statements about “shootIng the dogs” isn’t correct as stated here. That was a comment from one of the New Orleans guys who had run to the side of the building and couldn’t see what was happening out front
Looked this up again, it was initially stated by Rolland Ballestros who was on the door team. He later changed it to say the Davidians fired first.
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This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 5:56 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 6:51 pm to jrodLSUke
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Those Dravidian sickos were 100% abusing underage girls.
And yet child services investigated them TWICE before the raid and found no evidence of this. Also...none of the children who walked out of the compound so much as displayed a single sign of sexual or physical abuse.
I'm not defending the Davidians, but I feel as if the government used that angle as justification for what went down on February 28.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 7:12 pm to RollTide1987
There was only one Davidian that was sexually abusing girls. It was Koresh, the rest of the men were cuckolds in the most appropriate way used on this site.
One of the girls that survived by walking out earlier in the siege still talks about what he did to her in detail.
The Davidians did spank their kids pretty brutally and were very harsh disciplinarians. The adults with kids that survived admit to that now.
One of the girls that survived by walking out earlier in the siege still talks about what he did to her in detail.
The Davidians did spank their kids pretty brutally and were very harsh disciplinarians. The adults with kids that survived admit to that now.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 7:14 pm to lsu1919
Save the children by burning them alive!
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:37 pm to lsu1919
Keith is my neighbor. Great guy
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:44 pm to Dam Guide
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There was only one Davidian that was sexually abusing girls. It was Koresh, the rest of the men were cuckolds in the most appropriate way used on this site.
The only confirmed case of actual sexual abuse was his marriage to Michelle Jones, approved by her parents, at the age of 13. Everything else is circumstantial.
But even if that was the case, the ATF had NO legal jurisdiction in the matter of child protection. So to say that they were there initially to rescue the children from a child predator is freaking bogus.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:50 pm to RollTide1987
Koresh was crazy. That much is true. But the government's actions in Waco were criminal no matter how you slice it. ATF went there hoping to rehabilitate its image after Ruby Ridge and ended up looking like idiots.
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 8:51 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 8:56 pm to RollTide1987
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ATF went there hoping to rehabilitate its image after Ruby Ridge
What did ATF do at Ruby Ridge?
This post was edited on 2/28/18 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:48 pm to jbgleason
Annnnnnnnddddd the show made the fire be started by the FBI when in reality it was caused by the men in the compound.
Smdh.
Smdh.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:51 pm to beerJeep
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Annnnnnnnddddd the show made the fire be started by the FBI when in reality it was caused by the men in the compound
Your opinion is duly noted.
Posted on 2/28/18 at 9:51 pm to lsu1919
government burned up a bunch of innocent kids because of their guardians believes. Indians understand the treatment.
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