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re: 21 Year Old Victim Dies in Bourbon St Shooting (Updated)
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:23 am to Hammertime
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:23 am to Hammertime
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It is illegal to carry in bars, and many of them are responsible enough to not take a weapon while they are drinking.
I did not know that.
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Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:24 am to LSUzealot
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I was just in city #9 and #12 on that list for 9 nights…didn't seem that bad
these guys made deals with all the gang leaders
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:24 am to Winkface
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The whole state is lost. Highest incarceration rate in the world.
It's not high enough. Want to bet this guy had prior violent arrests that were pled down?
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:25 am to SlowFlowPro
I went to burbon st. a couple weeks ago. What struck me was the young white people strung out on what looks like heroin ,walking in a daze, begging , sleeping on the
sidewalks.
sidewalks.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:26 am to urinetrouble
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If that were so easy, it would have been done already.
bro i just watched the nola city council debate YOUBERT. seems like they'd rather protect the status quo b/c progress is racist
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:26 am to Napoleon
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I really think the shooter is under 21.
1. not old enough to legally own handgun
2. having a gun in bar (illegal)
3. shooting 9 people
so there's three laws right there that he broke... obviously more laws would have stopped this shooting...
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:27 am to rantfan
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What struck me was the young white people strung out on what looks like heroin ,walking in a daze, begging , sleeping on the
sidewalks.
First time you've ever seen a gutter punk? You must not travel a lot.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:27 am to SlowFlowPro
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obviously, though, plenty of citizens of nola do treat it as part of their culture. whether you want to admit they exist or not, they are not only citizens of nola, but they are major contributors to what constitutes nola.
when people discuss nola, this is another argument that typically arises. the "that's not what WE do. it's what THEY do" argument. well, together you all constitute nola. you can't just ignore that "they" exist or their contributions (good or bad)
Most people on here are so far removed from that community that they can reach them. I don't think they are ignoring them, just average law-abiding citizen is rather helpless. If there were reliable solutions, it would be fixed already.
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we didn't see these indirect defenses in other recent tragedies, like the one where the drunk driver drove into a house and killed people. and that was in a "good" area
That's just an awful "shite happens" incident that could literally happen anywhere there are roads and houses.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:27 am to Layabout
quote:Well, considering 99% of people on Bourbon at 3am have been drinking, and you aren't allow to CC while drinking, its pretty obvious that the perp realized Bourbon was probably a gun free zone at the time.
I thought those CCW holders were supposed to prevent this sort of thing. What happened? Did they all run for cover?
ETA: I read the following pages and realized I'm like the 100th person to state this. I guess the idiot who posted that comment really wanted to show how stupid he was
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 10:30 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:27 am to 4LSU2
Holy shite.
That is one of the "safe zones" in NOLA.
This could be terrible for tourism.
That is one of the "safe zones" in NOLA.
This could be terrible for tourism.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:27 am to rantfan
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I went to burbon st. a couple weeks ago. What struck me was the young white people strung out on what looks like heroin ,walking in a daze, begging , sleeping on the
sidewalks.
i don't know about nola specifically, but heroin is making a big comeback in the US in general...and yes it's white people using it
this is a backlash to the crackdown on pain pills
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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economically supporting areas that are violent.
Shot down your whole point right there.
You don't know enough about the city to offer this advice.
the Most violent areas have little to NO economic support. That is NOT the answer.
When did Hollygrove and Central City start to see gentrification and improvements? When new business came in on OC Haley and Lasalle and Earhart.
See it takes the opposite. To take back the "bad" part of the city we NEED to invest in it.
The Lower nine will see this soon.
Old black guy telling me "white people moving in is a great thing, they bring stores and restaurants".
Once the neighborhood becomes a place that see investment other than Arab markets and Chinese liquor stores it starts to improve.
But the worst areas of the city are already the most neglected. But I don't expect an outsider to get that as they don't know the areas.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:29 am to 4LSU2
sad story but I don't do NO or Bourbon St - too many other places to go
feel bad for some of the nice people in NO having to deal with that situation
feel bad for some of the nice people in NO having to deal with that situation
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:29 am to Solo
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It's ridiculous, but there is no way to stop this in the short term. In the long term, if NOLA continues on it's current direction, better days are ahead.
Many people outside of NOLA believe the citizens are being duped by skewed crime stats. Just read an article that criminologists believe the murder rate compared to the violent crime rate just doesn't add up.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:30 am to Napoleon
you ignored my whole point to cherry pick one part
before gentrification is economically feasible, you have to destroy the property values by refusing to support the area
then you gentrify the area and make it too expensive for undesirables to live. then they must move
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i enjoy watching y'all gentrify many bad areas, and that's a great start, but there is a culture in nola that loves to support problems b/c of some "culture" argument. like, for instance, economically supporting areas that are violent. if you want to take it over via gentrification? great. if you want to refuse to do that while economically supporting the area, which just creates a breeding ground for violent behavior, b/c "that shop has been around for x-years"? meh
the #1 thing you all, as residents, can do, is make it too expensive for violent people to live, or force them into easily-defined areas where you can contain them.
before gentrification is economically feasible, you have to destroy the property values by refusing to support the area
then you gentrify the area and make it too expensive for undesirables to live. then they must move
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 10:31 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:30 am to monsterballads
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more police presence on bourbon from 10-6am
$$$$$$$
understaffed police force, needs more men and money.
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more camera's with better signage letting people know they are being filmed at all times
Actually underway right now
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nola has to protect the french quarter at all costs.
Agree. One thing I liked about Nagin is he wanted to make the quarter "Disney Clean" and it was costly and didn't last long but it was a great idea.
Let's keep it clean and have two cops on every corner of Bourbon. from Canal to Gov. Nichols.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:30 am to SlowFlowPro
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obviously, though, plenty of citizens of nola do treat it as part of their culture. whether you want to admit they exist or not, they are not only citizens of nola, but they are major contributors to what constitutes nola.
when people discuss nola, this is another argument that typically arises. the "that's not what WE do. it's what THEY do" argument. well, together you all constitute nola. you can't just ignore that "they" exist or their contributions (good or bad)
Again, what would you have ME do about it? I acknowledge that there is a large population of people in this city that have zero regard for civilized life. Should I go on a vigilante mission and try to eradicate these individuals from the city? Should I move out of the city, and do as you do and not contribute anything monetarily to the city? (Which would be counter-intuitive)
I would love nothing more than for violent crime to be rid of in New Orleans, and I guarantee you the majority of people in this city would concur. Yet, what are we supposed to do about it? If you've taken any time to actually come to New Orleans and see it for yourself, you'll see that the city is on the right track and better times are on the horizon. There is a huge influx of money and gentrification coming into the city. I don't know what else can be done.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:31 am to 4LSU2
Damn. 
ETA: Cat's Meow is my place if I do go down to the Quarter. I would have been right around that if it would have been a quarter night with my gay friend.
ETA: Cat's Meow is my place if I do go down to the Quarter. I would have been right around that if it would have been a quarter night with my gay friend.
This post was edited on 6/29/14 at 10:32 am
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:32 am to SlowFlowPro
This entire episode has gone too far IMHO. These 9 people wanted to drink shots not get shot on Bourbon last night.
Posted on 6/29/14 at 10:32 am to Napoleon
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understaffed police force, needs more men and money.
the police force is hamstrung by "nola politics" bullshite like only hiring people who live in nola. when you restrict your available pool of applicants in such an extreme way, you frick yourself. no sympathy here for bad policy
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