re: 20 killed in limo accident...18 in the limo

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18 passangers?

That was asking for a tragic accident.

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Just so I'm understanding this correctly, you are placing the blame on the passengers in the limo?

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If two vehicles are going 60MPH and hit head on the results are the same as if they were going 60 MPH and hit a parked car or other stationary objet, and not equivalent to a 120 MPH crash which is a common misunderstanding.

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My physics and engineering knowledge (M.E. '98) disagrees with you, but I will keep an open mind, and look into this.

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Each car decelerates from 60MPH to 0 during the impact dissipating the same amount of energy as if they each had decelerated from 60 to 0 by hitting a stationary object, there was a "Mythbusters" episode devoted to the physics incolved.

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I'd like to see this episode. Your statements imply a number of things that I find hard to believe:

1) if two cars each traveling 25 MPH hit head on, the damage is equivalent to one car hitting a big tree at 25 MPH

2) if a kickoff returner, sprinting at 15 MPH runs into a tackler also running at 15 MPH, the result is equivalent to running into a stationary object at 15 MPH

F = M*A just does not agree with those. However, Mythbusters is a pretty good source, so again, I'd like to see the episode.

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there was a "Mythbusters" episode

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I read it on the internet. It must be true.

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if two cars each traveling 25 MPH hit head on, the damage is equivalent to one car hitting a big tree at 25 MPH

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Newtons third law. That big tree exerts an equal force on the car.

If two identical cars collide, the force is the same. The only force on each car is the sudden deceleration to 0.
However, the crash has twice the kinetic energy.

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Agree. Imagine that driver if the brakes failed ?Gaining more speed as your going down hill with no way to stop. That road goes downhill for a few miles 
before ending at a cross section road stop sign. 
Makes sense where the car ended up. Im guessing all the victims died on impact at the bottom of the hill. 

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Not to Monday morninq QB, but if the brakes failed, one wonders why he didn't throw it in low. He apparently had time, and a 35 mph crash is better than a 60 mph crash.

Vehicle had failed safety inspection the month before, and the driver didnt have a CDL.

LINK

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Horrifying to think about, but that's what almost certainly happened. It is an aging truck with a stretched frame that's holding a payload of at least 2-3 times what the engine, transmission, and brakes were designed to handle. That's why limos usually drive slowly and deliberately. They were going downhill on a steep road with a dead stop at the bottom of the hill.

And it likely wasn't maintained particularly well by the owner/operator.

18-20 people (and their drinks, food, lighting, speakers, etc.) should use a party bus built on a Class 5 or Class 6 truck chassis.

Vehicle had failed safety inspection the month before, and the driver didnt have a CDL


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So basically this Limo Company is about to be sued into oblivion. It sounds
like every decision they made leading up to the tragedy had disaster written all over it.
From the very old vehicle on a standard excursion frame made into a limo to the fact
that the driver chose to take a very well known steep and dangerous route. Obviously, we are all Monday morning Qbing here— but surely there was some sort of alternative route that would have been relatively similar travel time that could have gotten them to where they needed to go that wouldn’t have been as risky a route?

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That limo must have been pulverized in the crash if all 18 people inside of it were killed.

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From the outside it really doesn't look that bad. Guess they were thrown around internally.

Yeah, I heard it failed inspection.

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orrifying to think about, but that's what almost certainly happened. It is an aging truck with a stretched frame that's holding a payload of at least 2-3 times what the engine, transmission, and brakes were designed to handle. That's why limos usually drive slowly and deliberately. They were going downhill on a steep road with a dead stop at the bottom of the hill.

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This makes sense.


Man that's going to be an insane lawsuit that I doubt the owner can even afford.