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re: 155 Years Ago Today Confederate Forces Opened Fire on Fort Sumter
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:15 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:15 pm to Darth_Vader
I'm not getting involved in the history lesson that's going on here...but I did find myself at the harbor pilots house today on the Cooper river side just around the corner from the battery. Every time I look over at the fort, I'm amazed at how far it is from charleston. I believe Sullivan's Island and the battery on west Ashley are closer but maybe wrong. If you've never seen it from the mainland, it looks very small. Says a lot about the cannons of the time. The noise when they fired had to be thunderous.
Eta...looks like no shells were shot from the battery. Never new that and can believe it.
Eta...looks like no shells were shot from the battery. Never new that and can believe it.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 4/12/16 at 4:57 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Tell me where in the constitution as written in 1861 says one person can't own another?
OK, fella., I had to step out and rev up the economy. I have re-read the above statement several times and can NOT figure out what you are saying. Do me a favor so I can learn. Either re-phrase or punctuate or SOMETHING to clear it up for me.
Further, how is it contradictory to MY post that YOU quoted.
Thank you.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:17 pm to LCA131
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OK, fella., I had to step out and rev up the economy. I have re-read the above statement several times and can NOT figure out what you are saying. Do me a favor so I can learn. Either re-phrase or punctuate or SOMETHING to clear it up for me.
Further, how is it contradictory to MY post that YOU quoted.
Let me help you out here. You originally said on page 1:
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The Constitution of the Confederacy and the US Constitution were substantially identical EXCEPT for the pesky thing about owning another person.
I said
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Tell me where in the constitution as written in 1861 says one person can't own another?
Because it seemed to me like you were trying to say that one constitution allowed slavery, while one did not. I disputed that finding by saying there's no part of the US constitution as written in 1861 that outlaws slavery. It was very much legal at the time, and didn't become illegal until the thirteenth amendment, in Dec 1865, 6 months after the surrender at Appomattox.
Clear?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:21 pm to NYNolaguy1
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You do realize that there were Union slave States DURING AND AFTER the civil war? That the last slave to be freed was in Delaware IIRC?
Don't let facts and logic get in the way of what they think is right in their little minds.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Clear?
Yes. It was UNclear to me because the US Cons. was NOT the one written in 1861 leading me to think you were referring to the Confederate Constitution.
Had you simply said the US Const. did not prohibit the ownership of one person by another it would have been clearer. The US Cons. also does not endorse rape as a means to relieve sexual frustration. I suppose that made it ok?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 5:51 pm to hogminer
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Secession was treason
No it wasn't. That is the main reason that they never put Jeff Davis on trial because it would be ruled that secession was unconstitutional and the Union would be responsible for a “civil war” that had killed over half a million lives.
This post was edited on 4/12 at 3:19 pm
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Secession was treason
No it wasn't. That is the main reason that they never put Jeff Davis on trial because it would be ruled that secession was unconstitutional and the Union would be responsible for a “civil war” that had killed over half a million lives.
the chief justice implored the union not to attempt to prosecute he openly admitted that the union would lose.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 6:55 pm to AU66
Lot of folks seem very defensive of the Confederate position in this tiff.
How many wish the south had won the war and that you now lived in the Confederate States of America rather than the United States?
How many wish the south had won the war and that you now lived in the Confederate States of America rather than the United States?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:07 pm to ballscaster
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Result: decisive victory for the US over the inferiors.
Decisive victory? What did they gain from it? The USA spent 4 years and hundreds of thousands of lives to subdue a territory that was part of the USA before the mess all began. That is as like saying Harvard beats Yale, but in actuality they didn't.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:17 pm to Darth_Vader
A tip of the hat to those Confederate heroes that were in Charleston that day. 
Posted on 4/12/16 at 8:31 pm to PatDyesPants
May their spirits rejoice in Heaven, or Valhalla, or wherever they are.
They were heroes in my heart.
They were heroes in my heart.
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