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re: 1 out of every 800 south Dakotians has perished from China flu
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:34 am to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:34 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:Aren't you allowed to remove a loved one from a nursing home if you don't like their visitation policy?
You're right...so why aren't we letting them decide?
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Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:38 am to Korkstand
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I'm not trying to take away from the hardship people are going through, but it's not so cut and dry when the decisions you make can impact others.
So you're for ending social justice causes then, eh?
(We can apply this logic elsewhere to areas you might not like, is my point.)
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:40 am
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:42 am to Korkstand
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Aren't you allowed to remove a loved one from a nursing home if you don't like their visitation policy?
But I thought we shouldn't make decisions that might impact someone else's life.
Now you've got an elderly loved one that is in need of care at home with family that can't provide that care, would spend a fortune trying to pay for that care, or would be forced to stay home from work to provide that care.
There is no getting around that preventing visitors from seeing the elderly in a nursing home is cruel.
"We saved tens of lives from CoviD, but we "tormented" more with isolation. It was worth it!"
This post was edited on 12/7/20 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:47 am to Korkstand
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It's a bad situation all around, no doubt. It's just a tough call because there could be people in a nursing home with 3 or 4 years left, but through the negligence of others it could end right now. And maybe they weren't ready.
Yet my Grandpas nursing home has had a case every week for the last few weeks
Per the LDH report last week there was a nursing home that had 28 new cases the previous week, IIRC the total of new cases for the previous week was 295
There is no stopping a virus, nursing homes have been closed to visitors since 3/12 yet 9 months later there are still new cases
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:53 am to Korkstand
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Aren't you allowed to remove a loved one from a nursing home if you don't like their visitation policy?
If we thought we could get home health to show up regularly & on time we would have pulled my Grandpa out when this started
There is a reason why nursing homes are JBE’s 2nd largest donor
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Bill that gives elderly 'a critical choice' to live at home or in a nursing home rejected by Senate committee
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With a 6-2 vote, the Senate Health and Welfare committee rejected legislation aimed at giving more people access to home-health services, in lieu of being sent to a nursing home to live.
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Louisiana’s nursing homes are among the worst in the nation, according to national rankings. Louisiana also spends less on home- and community-based services than most other states. At the same time, nursing homes have unique financial protections that ensure regular rate increases, while other Medicaid providers have been cut year after year.
There would be plenty of families that would have their loved ones at home if they could
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:54 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:It's your loved one, the one you made the decision with.
But I thought we shouldn't make decisions that might impact someone else's life.
quote:Is this the same family that wants to bring disease into a nursing home because the elderly person has had enough?
Now you've got an elderly loved one that is in need of care at home with family that can't provide that care, would spend a fortune trying to pay for that care, or would be forced to stay home from work to provide that care.
Imagine two families with a loved one in the same nursing home. They would both obviously like to visit, but one would prefer to hold off a while longer and maybe get a couple more years, while for the other family it's "now or never". Knowing how it rips through nursing homes, how can you let one family put the others at risk?
quote:Is it not equally or more cruel to be so irresponsible to the rest of the residents who might prefer to not be exposed?
There is no getting around that preventing visitors from seeing the elderly in a nursing home is cruel.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 10:57 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:To repeat, not everything is cut and dry.
So you're for ending social justice causes then, eh?
(We can apply this logic elsewhere to areas you might not like, is my point.)
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:04 am to Korkstand
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preserving the last few years of old peoples' lives are not an end worth considering.
Have you done a deep dive on who is really dying from Covid? For a great many of these deaths, we're not talking about a "few years." Instead you are talking about weeks or months. It should be clear to everyone now that most of the people dying from Covid are those at the very end of their lives for completely unrelated reasons.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:04 am to Korkstand
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Is this the same family that wants to bring disease into a nursing home because the elderly person has had enough?
12/2 LDH Nursing Home Report
The virus is still being brought into nursing homes despite the fact they have been closed since 3/12
The residents are not really allowed out of their rooms, they have no interaction with other residents, they eat alone in their rooms, not sure how it could spread from one resident to another
What happens when someone with a mild case of the flu goes into a nursing home & gives it to the residents?
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:05 am to Korkstand
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Is this the same family that wants to bring disease into a nursing home because the elderly person has had enough?
The frick are you talking about here? Now we know for the fact that the family that wants to visit their loved one is infected and is intentionally going to spread it?
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They would both obviously like to visit, but one would prefer to hold off a while longer and maybe get a couple more years, while for the other family it's "now or never". Knowing how it rips through nursing homes, how can you let one family put the others at risk?
If masks and temperature checks work, why can't we let them in with precautions? Hmmm.....
And, as you've already said, can't you move your family member out of a place if you don't like the visitation policy, in your hypothetical?
So, it's perfectly fine to let the "now or never" resident die alone without allowing the family to be there?
It's still a 90% survival rate for those over 70, ain't it?
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Is it not equally or more cruel to be so irresponsible to the rest of the residents who might prefer to not be exposed?
No, they are exposed anyway because the staff goes home and lives in the world. Or else we wouldn't still have cases in the nursing homes.
Preventing visitation is an intentional choice, the other is a bunch of maybes and ifs.
Posted on 12/7/20 at 11:36 am to Sasquatch Smash
quote:I am under no delusions that masks and temp checks work 100%. It's a mitigation strategy, not a prevention strategy.
If masks and temperature checks work, why can't we let them in with precautions? Hmmm.....
quote:Sure. But given that nursing homes earn revenue by helping residents to live rather than helping them to die, which visitation policy would most put in place?
And, as you've already said, can't you move your family member out of a place if you don't like the visitation policy, in your hypothetical?
quote:Not "perfectly fine", not cut and dry.
So, it's perfectly fine to let the "now or never" resident die alone without allowing the family to be there?
quote:We really gonna question whether allowing more people inside increases the probability of infection?
No, they are exposed anyway because the staff goes home and lives in the world. Or else we wouldn't still have cases in the nursing homes.
quote:Maybes and ifs are a part of all intentional choices.
Preventing visitation is an intentional choice, the other is a bunch of maybes and ifs.
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