re: You're in the driver's seat to fix the Saints offense.

True but also none of us know what the market is for coordinators and positions coach’s. Really we don’t even know the market for HCs. We know who we like and who seems like that would want a position be if your not in the NFL coaching circle you don’t know really who is available for what position. Then you don’t know the parameters of that potential coaches interest in coaching.

The guys I named are guys that have a resume or have shown the potential to handle the job. I have no idea if the would be interested in 1) the Saint position or 2) even if they would be interested in any other position other than what they have.

That’s why all this is speculation to outsiders. Which is what I assume we all are.

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See what vets you can trade or move on from
Kamara Thomas peat Ruiz Jordan lattimore need restructuring or move on

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I don't think it's financially possible to trade any of those players since the restructured last off season. In general.

I was under the impressions that Thomas re negotiated his contract last season making it a 1 year prove it deal with an out if he didn't perform. That was true but not true. The contract was structured for him to be able to be traded or released but apparently there was a window for that to take place post June 1st 2023 and some point before the 2023/2024 season started. It's my assumption that they may have been looking for a trade partner for him but didn't get any takers and/or when Tre'Quan Smith and Rashid Shaheed spent a significant amount of time injured in training camp they got cold feet about moving on from Thomas. As it sits now, ad as I understand it his contract became locked in until after the 2024 season.

Kamara could have some trade value but neither Williams or Miller have given any confidence that they can take over. (Caveat, Kamara may demand a trade if changes aren't made. He was visibly pissed off most of the season and there was no ambiguity about who he blamed.)

Peat played himself into another contract with the Saints IMO because who else you got to play LT? Ruiz's contract was set up to maybe part ways with him after this season, but again who else is there?

Jordan's contract counts 36 million against the 2024 cap id he's traded or cut. He's not leaving short of retiring.

Lattimore is the only one with real trade value of hte vets, but again his contract is structurally a mess for any team trading for him so you'd basically have to give him away then how do you replace him?

IMO we'll see a lot of the same roster next season while the team burns through all this dead cap money.

The good news is IMO the only real must haves are OT, Edge Rusher and maybe depth at O-line and Safety which we can surely address in the draft.

If they do the right thing and overhaul the offensive coaching staff I think a new staff can get 3 more wins out of this offense. They puts the Saints in the driver's seat of the NFC South next season I think.

Another staff area that really needs to be scrutinized is the strength and conditioning group. Are they really giving the team the best possible chance each week?

Now yes I agree the play and development of the o-line and d-line have not been close to where it should be. Doug Marrone is a top tier O-line coach, I'm not sure what's happening there but it may be time for a change. Grantham is in his first year coaching D-line so I'm not sure what realistically I should have expected from him or if he failed. However Brian Young has had 8 season to coach pass rush and while the Saints have had some great years under him on getting to the QB, the production has definitely fallen off in the past 2 or 3 years and Foskey's non-development doesn't add much confidence. Cam is in his twilight and Granderson looks to be the real deal. Nothing else to even talk about which is why that group needs to be a 1st rd priority.

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I see it as just the opposite. The situation with the saints is a dream job for an OC.

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Having a Derek Carr as your quarterback is not a dream job. Its more like a nightmare.

IMO, you fire the entire offensive staff outside of Kodi Burns. Every position group regressed under this coaching staff. QB play was erratic, the line is an abortion, the running backs sucked, and I am not sure if we have any TEs on the roster. WR is the only position you can point to as having some development, but even that is spotty with Olave being hit or miss.

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OLine draft picks have been terrible outside of Ramcyk

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I don't really see it like that.

McCoy (great pick) was a needed pick to replace Max Unger who medically retired unexpectedly in 2019. Cesar Ruiz was drafted from what I heard to replace McCoy at center and have McCoy slide to RG to replace Larry Wofford but McCoy was better than expected at center and the decided to keep the continuity between he and Brees and play Ruiz out of position ar RG. Ruiz struggled and still struggles to hold down the guard spot but what should have happened is in 2021 after Breed had retired that was the time to flip McCoy and Ruiz as McCoy is iirc the better fit talent wise to move to guard. But they were hanging onto win now mode so the less changes the better I guess.

Anders Peat was a reach to replace Zack Strief but they needed to take a shot. When he didn't work out they needed to get Ram and Peat carved out a nice career moving inside to guard. (3 pro bowls least you forget).

Nothing on paper even hinted at Penning seeming like a massive bust (I still have hope for him with the right coaches)

Of the rest you have Rick Leonard, Will Clapp, Landon Young and Nick Saldiveri of those Will Clapp was probably the best and could have developed into something. Saldiveri in the 4th was a head scratcher like Rick Leonard was but it showed the desperation to fix the O-line.

The reality is this draft they have to keep going to the O-line well because as the O-line goes so will Carr and the offense.

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I will say again you cannot win on a high level with Carr. But go ahead if you think hes the next Trent Dilfer or Brad Johnson lol.

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I don't think Carr will be the next anyone. I don't even think Carr will be a much considerably player with the right coaching staff. I do think with the right staff he can be much more consistent player and not having to rely on him to do things above and beyond his normal capabilities will translate into more success for the Saints.

And not a QB on that list was more talented (By any large margin) than Derek Carr. What they had was better systems to work within and thus they had better results.

The most “Loomisy” thing would be fo him to bring back CSP.

I’m in no way saying that’s realistic.

Payton ain't coming back.

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Carr was a much better QB when he was under Gruden, Gruden gave him good confidence and knew how to use him, play him up to his strengths and all.

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They were 8-8 in Gruden’s best year with Carr. Hmm whats our record so far this year with Carr? Oh wait we’re 8-8.