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re: What if D Vele = J Horn

Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:54 am to
Posted by Marrero
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 9:54 am to
Reggie bush?

Chris Ivory?


Name the receiver now?
Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:08 am to
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So CSP never let go or traded a player that was good or did better after leaving during his coaching the Saint? Simple huh


I made a thread about this. Several on the defensive side. I can’t remember a single one on offense.

This guy woukd be the first.
This post was edited on 8/22/25 at 10:11 am
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:16 am to
Sproles
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:19 am to
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CSP never let go or traded a player that was good

I can’t remember a single one on offense.

He let the greatest WR in Saints history get cut over a simple request to reduce his salary

This is difficult because of Drew & Payton's ability to make no name receivers look good to great. Only ones that come to mind that still had something in the tank would be Snead (but don't recall what he did when he left), Mechem (but his issues were more about him), and Cooks (again personnel issue not production)
Posted by saints5021
Louisiana
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:22 am to
got rid of Kenny Stills and Jimmy Graham in the same season
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:24 am to
Good call on both. Graham was another personal issue as it was obvious Sean was salty about how the contract disputes went.
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4499 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:26 am to
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Well, he basically needs to produce like Joe Horn, or the expense of a 4th and 7th for him was a bad move.


So you expect a 4th next year to be able to perform like Horn? The success rate of a 4th rounder is 20%. He doesn’t need to perform any where near Horn to be worth the 4th rounder.
Posted by holdem Tiger
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 10:28 am to
From what I read, Payton was going to lose one of his guys regardless of what he did. He may have shopped more than one and picked the best value.
Posted by Marrero
Member since Dec 2021
798 posts
Posted on 8/22/25 at 3:46 pm to
Sproles was a key player on the wrong side of 30. Even then he only got like 2 good years after us.


Big difference and then again the main reason he had to trade him is because they figured sprooles out in his system. Yeah he could be good elsewhere but if he stayed in New Orleans it would've been a decline.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:20 pm to
Then listen to CSP and not me.
Coach said he regretted letting Sproles go.
Is that good enough for you lol
Posted by jepapo
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 8/22/25 at 4:31 pm to
The number of downvotes on this post is alarming. Way too many unreasonably negative peeps.
Posted by Whodat4300
Tennessee
Member since Jul 2020
1052 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 1:51 am to
Our TE’s are nonexistent all over the field.
Posted by Marrero
Member since Dec 2021
798 posts
Posted on 8/23/25 at 5:32 am to
No its not because he still would’ve been figured out in a saints uniform .

My random memory is very good. I knew before even looking up Sporles last season was that year Kuecley had 24 tackles in a game against us.

That offense was completely figured out it was time to move on from sproles. In fact the Luke game was December and Sproles was gone a few months later.


Now that I actually looked it up he had 88 yards against ATL to open the year. And after that dude didn’t even get 40 yards receiving against a division opponent all year. Both playoff games under 35 too.


They solved Payton he had to shake it up.
This post was edited on 8/23/25 at 5:39 am
Posted by Sunnyvale
Member since Feb 2024
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Posted on 8/23/25 at 11:43 am to
Honestly I just think we got back AT Perry with, Except D Vele has a better Work Ethic and Attitude.
Posted by Da #1 Stunna
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Posted on 8/26/25 at 3:09 am to
Hey genius, Joe Horn was a 5th round pick by the Chiefs back in 1996.
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 3:12 am
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4499 posts
Posted on 8/26/25 at 9:26 am to
That’s what’s called an exception, not the rule… genius

He is top three statistically in saints history. How many 5th rounders are top 5 statistically for any team vs those that didn’t even make it in the NFL for a year?
This post was edited on 8/26/25 at 9:30 am
Posted by LSUtiger89
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2007
4499 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:01 am to
Do you have expectations that a 5th rounder by every team is going to perform up to the level of Joe horn?
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
15553 posts
Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:08 am to
If he becomes a WR that can be a vacuum cleaner for balls thrown his way I will be happy.

We desperately need a WR that can be reliable to catch anything within his catch radius to help these young QB's. YAC would be great but reliable hands are #1. YDS or Yds/catch aren't as important as can he get past the sticks and catch the ball to extend drives? Can he be a guy that can go up and get contested balls in the endzone? Can he make those catches if they are not thrown perfectly?

Posted by Townedrunkard
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 8/27/25 at 7:46 am to
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Only ones that come to mind that still had something in the tank would be Snead (but don't recall what he did when he left), Mechem (but his issues were more about him), and Cooks (again personnel issue not production)


Snead and Meachem never came close to replicating the success they had with us.

Cooks had multiple 1k yard seasons after he left, but his best two seasons were with us when you account for his yardage and tds scored.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 8/27/25 at 8:51 am to
I’m all for a Vele getting 1500 yards to make Payton look like an a-hole
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