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Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:34 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:Yes, it does help the prosecution. However, it also helps the defense. It shows Smith is willing to have no regard for breaking the law
Hell, it helps the Prosecution. It shows intent.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:34 pm to moneyg
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I'd just assume be rational
Wow
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:34 pm to Lester Earl
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Will Smith would have been just as likely to shoot someone dead as Cardell Hayes would have been(very low chance)
You have absolutely nothing to support this assertion. This is a strawman.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to DaBike
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However if I had been hit and run like Hayes I would have only followed to get the license plate of the car and then reported it to the police
And he did do this right? Reported it to the police? What kind of idiot doesn't just let it go after that? This is going to be the big thing for him to defend.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:35 pm to lsupride87
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However, it also helps the defense. It shows Smith is willing to have no regard for breaking the law
Hahaha. Ha.
No. I assure you it doesn't.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:36 pm to Lester Earl
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so Hayes is the aggressor when he rear ends a car, but Will Smith isnt when he rear ends Hayes? is that how it works?
And this kind of stupidity is why I don't take anything you say seriously.
You're seriously going to sit here and say a minor collision that caused microscopic (if even any at all) damage is the what escalated this shooting? By your logic, I can shoot the next person that taps my back bumper.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:36 pm to lsupride87
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Link?
It is a likely and logical inference, and one based on far, far more logic than what most of the Hayes White Knighters are spouting.
However, it is only a logical inference. We don't have that information yet.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:37 pm to LNCHBOX
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You're seriously going to sit here and say a minor collision that caused microscopic (if even any at all) damage is the what escalated this shooting? By your logic, I can shoot the next person that taps my back bumper.
minor accident led to this, no. hit and run, yes. shite Hayes pulled over to seemingly exchange info and Smith ran. By your logic Hayes was gonna shoot him on the side of Magazine as soon as he got out of the Gwagon?
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:38 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:You are being ridiculous. To say the hit and run doesnt help the defense at all is asinine. Go listen to national talk shows. It has completely changed the initial reaction of people. Juries are humans, it matters. You are correct that the 20-30 seconds before the killing is the most important part
Hahaha. Ha.
No. I assure you it doesn't.
But to say that the fact Will Smith hit and ran a mere few minutes before said killing does nothing for the defense is ludicrous and biased
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:38 pm to gmrkr5
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hit and run, yes
How about we place the title of aggressor to the person that made it a lethal situation. Nah, that'd be too easy.
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By your logic Hayes was gonna shoot him on the side of Magazine as soon as he got out of the Gwagon?
Clearly that isn't out of the realm of possibility for Hayes based on what he did.
This post was edited on 4/12/16 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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By your logic, I can shoot the next person that taps my back bumper.
IPosted on 4/12/16 at 3:39 pm to Fun Bunch
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Smith being "totally innocent" is irrelevant.
Many victims are not, yet the other person is still a murderer and convicted as such.
All of this is true from a legal standpoint.
However, I think it's meaningful to understand that Smith may have contributed to the event. There IS a difference between a heated argument (in part instigated by the victim) that ends in murder vs. a murder in which the victim did nothing wrong.
I'm afraid it is looking like Smith is going to have contributed to the situation. The hit and run video is the beginning of that. His reaction after Hayes chased him down could be another part of that. Hayes being rightfully charged and convicted of murder doesn't change that.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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By your logic, I can shoot the next person that taps my back bumper.
I love how this bullshite argument is being brought up. Not a single soul has argued that
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:39 pm to LNCHBOX
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You're seriously going to sit here and say a minor collision that caused microscopic (if even any at all) damage is the what escalated this shooting? By your logic, I can shoot the next person that taps my back bumper.
Choose your words better, that's all I can say, other wise you are contradicting yourself.
it's faulty to say the 2nd collision escalated the shooting too. It's what happened after.
Hayes could have cornered Smith instead of hitting his car and the outcome would have likely been the same. In the end he was going to confront Smith for hitting him and running.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:40 pm to lsupride87
I'm sorry, it doesn't. I kind of do know what I'm talking about here...at least more than most of you.
The only thing it might help is the level of charge, at best.
The only thing that will have any impact will from the moment of the final collision until the shooting.
The only thing it might help is the level of charge, at best.
The only thing that will have any impact will from the moment of the final collision until the shooting.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:40 pm to Fun Bunch
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You have absolutely nothing to support this assertion. This is a strawman.
this isnt a courtroom. If you disagree id love to hear why
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:41 pm to Lester Earl
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it's faulty to say the 2nd collision escalated the shooting too. It's what happened after.
Right, the guy chasing Smith down and getting a gun and ultimately killing him isn't the aggressor. It was the guy that tapped his back bumper. Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:41 pm to lsupride87
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I love how this bullshite argument is being brought up. Not a single soul has argued that
It makes as much sense as what LE is saying. SO you're right, it is funny.
Posted on 4/12/16 at 3:42 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:You are simply wrong. The jury should not take the hit and run into consideration. However, they absolutely will. If Smith never hit and ran, a human being feels completely different about this whole situation
The only thing that will have any impact will from the moment of the final collision until the shooting.
I 100% agree with you that the 20-30 seconds before the shooting is all that SHOULD matter.
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