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Two part draft question:

Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:44 am
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:44 am
1) What would it take to trade up from 14 to 9? (Trade charts suggest NO-14th OA , 2024 6th & 2025 3rd for Chi -9th OA)

2) Would there be any impact players in this draft that could be had at 9 worth the trade up for. (this is a theoretical question as we still don't know how the prospects will shake out and settle until the combine and workouts.)

Given Mickeys history I expect them to try to trade up or possibly get an extra 1st round pick, yes that mean giving up future picks but that what he does. Plus IMO, y sticking with DA this year it means he has to be all in on winning now right?
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 7:54 am to
quote:

1) What would it take to trade up from 14 to 9? (


3 firsts and Lou Hedley
Posted by saints5021
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:44 am to
I want no part in another trade up in the first. We barely have enough picks to constitute a rookie class this season.
Posted by paulbeasy
Member since Feb 2023
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 8:58 am to
There are several OT’s we probably want.

There are QB’s who we could take if one dropped (even though I like Carr).

There are Dlineman and impact WR’s we could target also.

So yes, anything could happen lol.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 8:58 am
Posted by tonyarm99
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:12 am to
I would say that Either of the top 2 OTs would be worth it. Alt, and the Penn State guy. I would just hesitate to use any of next years draft capital.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:18 am to
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I want no part in another trade up in the first.


Oh I agree but it's not what we want but what Mickey has a history of doing.

Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:20 am to
1.14 + player for 1.9....
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:26 am to
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1.14 + player for 1.9.


14 + Lattimore for 9?

It would likely pin them into picking a Cb at 9 unless one of the top two OT's fell.

I doubt that trade up for a QB, not that we don't need it but a future QB to sit on the bench for a season does not thing to improve the ream chances at success in 2024.

Not sure any of the edge guys are worth #9 considering that may all be available at 14. If Nabors was there at 9 that would be a huge get.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 9:27 am
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:31 am to
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I would say that Either of the top 2 OTs would be worth it. Alt, and the Penn State guy. I would just hesitate to use any of next years draft capital.




Realistically the only guys I see that could possibly be there at 9 worth trading up for would be LT-Fashanu, WR-Nabers or TE-Bowers. Again a QB could fall but unlikely one of the top 3 and IMO they Saints will not trade up for a QB after supporting DA for another year. IMO drafting a QB is giving up on DA and Carr which Loomis obviously isn't ready to do.
Posted by Chad504boy
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 9:39 am to
Joe Alt
LAIATU LATU
Olumuyiwa Fashanu
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:33 am to
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Joe Alt


Will go in the top 3 or 4
Posted by BillyBrubaker
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 11:54 am to
Latest mocks don't think as highly of Alt as you do. Bucky Brooks of NFL.com has Alt going 10, Fashanu 7. Chris Trapasso of cbssports.com has Alt going 14 to the saints, Fashanu at 7. Mel Kiper's most recent mock on ESPN has Alt at 7 and Fashanu at 10. I think given the uncertainty on the line, one of the tackles should be high priority. Alt and Fashanu may very well be gone by 14, but Saints could stay, or maybe even trade 14 to move down, and grab either Latham from Alabama or Fuaga from Oregon St. Admittedly those 2 are a step down from the top 2 tackles, but starter quality players nonetheless.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:11 pm to
Alt likely goes top 10, but I don’t think he goes top 3.

There is some good depth in this class in the top 20 picks. I posted this before, but this draft kind of reminds me of 2011 where guys like Cam Jordan, Cameron Heyward, JJ Watt, Robert Quinn and Mike Pouncy went outside the top 10.

I’d suspect Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bowers, Alt, Harrison Jr., and Olumuyiwa Fashanu go top 10.


Some really good players like Verse, Taliese Fuaga, Nabors, Coleman, Kool-Aid, Chop Robinson, both DT from Texas and some other really good players will be available in the top 25.
Posted by Snipe
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:11 pm to
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Latest mocks don't think as highly of Alt as you do


Early Mock always miss on Olinemen. They're not the sexy pick but in the end teams value O-linemen more than people filling out mock drafts.

But he could shite the bed in workouts and the combine but I'm not sure why anyone would expect that.
This post was edited on 1/24/24 at 12:13 pm
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 12:39 pm to
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I’d suspect Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Drake Maye, Bowers, Alt, Harrison Jr., and Olumuyiwa Fashanu go top 10.


I'd make a move to get to #9 if this were I were pretty sure of getting one of these players. Even if I had to give up draft capital next year, you can always make moves to recoup that capital. With the possibility of the Saints losing Hurst, Peat and Ram in this offseason that have to invest in top notch talent on the O-line. Probably a high draft pick and FA depth. They do need another edge rusher but I think they can get that in the later rounds or even a big FA move.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:26 pm to
Why trade up for Alt or Fashanu when you can stay put and get Taliese Fuaga, Jordan Morgan, Tyler Guyton, JC Latham, or Austin Mims?


There’s even guys that will be available in the 2nd like Patrick Paul, Garaham Barton, Suamataia and Amegadjie available in the 2nd if you want to take a pass rusher or CB or Bowers in the 1st.
Posted by dcrews
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:32 pm to
Saints don't need to be trading up unless a QB falls to a reasonably priced pick before them.

Otherwise, take BPA.

I'm not interested in selling any more of this team's future for another middle of the road season.
Posted by Snipe
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 1:55 pm to
quote:

Why trade up for Alt or Fashanu when you can stay put and get Taliese Fuaga, Jordan Morgan, Tyler Guyton, JC Latham, or Austin Mims?


There’s even guys that will be available in the 2nd like Patrick Paul, Garaham Barton, Suamataia and Amegadjie available in the 2nd if you want to take a pass rusher or CB or Bowers in the 1st.





For one, Alt and Fashanu are top LTs The rest are RT's that mayne can play LT.

Second, there's a sizable talet dip between Alt and Fashanu and the rest of the field. Not that there won't be some of the other guys that develop into solid players but O-line is kinda a desperate position for the Saints especially if we have to replace Ram, Peat and Hurst in one year.

Mayee I'm old fashioned but I still believe in building your team from the trenches out.

Again this is all with the caveat that none of these player have started working out yet for teams and when that happen we'll get a better understanding of where they should go.
Posted by Suntiger
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 2:02 pm to
quote:

For one, Alt and Fashanu are top LTs The rest are RT's that mayne can play LT.

Second, there's a sizable talet dip between Alt and Fashanu and the rest of the field.


It’s too early to say that. Maybe after the combine a gulf develops, but it’s too early to say one guy is way better than another.

quote:

Not that there won't be some of the other guys that develop into solid players but O-line is kinda a desperate position for the Saints


I’m all for taking a lineman with our first pick. But the Saints are desperate at OT, OG, DE and DT. If Lattimore is not here next year, we are also somewhat desperate at CB.

If you can take Verse, Dallas or Robinson with the first pick to get a pass rusher and then find someone who can play OT, that’s better for the team overall if the talent at DE or DT is a bigger drop off in the second.

Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to get Alt or Fashanu, but we have other needs and can’t burn draft capital on a certain player. If anything, I’d burn a draft pick to get back into the end of the first and land an OT and DE.
Posted by FMtTXtiger
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 1/24/24 at 2:03 pm to
it costs too much at least for where the saints stand in the next few years. We are not one or 2 players away. Last time i said the only player we should move up for was Parsons. No one except QB is worth moving up in this draft b/c OT is deep this year and no super stud Defensive player.
You really should only move up for a player that is going to be a difference maker. If one of the top 3 QBs drop to 9 in your question, move up.

My top pick is Latham if he is there at 14, doubtful. so we will get a pick of a few defensive players.

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