re: This team will be historically bad

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These are the ones who for years have been yelling about doing a rebuild, except that they in their pee brains really thought you could rebuild and still win 12 games.

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Yup.

They beg for a rebuild and then melt down … when we rebuild.

Hire a young innovative offense coach!!! - We do exactly that and this board has no hope that CKM is our future. I guess the teenage fans forget that Payton was the youngest coach in the league when Loomis hired him.

Why did we draft a Tackle with our 1st pick?!?! - Banks is the best graded Olineman through all of pre season. He literally plays like Willie Roaf but the young soft figs want to complain about trading away a 4th rd pick.

Draft a QB - ok done. - I hate him. a 2nd rd pick for a QB?? He is 26. He will be 40 next year. What a waste.

Every thing is a bad decision! and we can't draft for shite… - their logic is based around drafting Foskey. He was a bust so everyone else must suck too. Even if the rookies shine the haters won’t acknowledge it bc they are too committed to things being bad.

Our WR room is the worst in the league!!! - Yet we have Olave and Sheed. and then we trade for a big wr and yall completely melt about a damn 4th rd pick.


Please. Educate me on all the bad decisions we have made since Moore was hired? and don’t mention the 4th rd pick trade. We over paid. We all agree. But. It’s a 4th rd pick

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We are not. We just traded a 4th for an old WR who is mid

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Mid? His rookie stats are pretty good. And he had a rookie QB throwing to him

Why can’t a trade be part of the rebuild?So the draft is the only way to rebuild?

Classic SFP arguing that a 4th rd pick is some kind of franchise changing asset.

Please. Besides Jhari Evan’s and Chris Carter. No 4th rd pick has ever changed a franchise’s arc. (I do like Stuts and Riley though)

Moore wanted a big WR for his REBUILD. He liked Vele and happen to over pay for him IMO. But I don’t care. I trust his approach.

A 4th rd pick is now precious capital? :

All very spot on, but you forgot the whole "we suck at drafting" while also screaming " why are you trading late round picks for players who have decent production".

It doesn't fricking matter what stage we are in with the rebuild, you don't pass up acquiring a player that can contribute for good value. If we did that we would never have gotten Vilma and never have gotten a Super Bowl win. He was also a player coming off a season ending surgery, which is apparently something we also aren't supposed to do. We were also coming off a losing season, and we shouldn't be trying to improve if we are losing.

To think all the things we aren't "supposed" to do we did with Vilma, and it lead to a SB, the only one in our history.

But people here are all captain hindsight, so anytime something supports their complaints they sky scream, but when something goes against them, they just ignore it.

We have all the markings of a bottom of the league team this year. I don’t think some realize just how shitty we can be.

Zero nfl wins at qb position on roster
New HC
No real pass rush
Aging stars
No game breakers outside of shaheed
Wishy washy o line.

Given the tough early schedule the wheels could fall off very quickly and we will learn ALOT about Moore early on.

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It doesn't fricking matter what stage we are in with the rebuild, you don't pass up acquiring a player that can contribute for good value. If we did that we would never have gotten Vilma and never have gotten a Super Bowl win. He was also a player coming off a season ending surgery, which is apparently something we also aren't supposed to do. We were also coming off a losing season, and we shouldn't be trying to improve if we are losing. To think all the things we aren't "supposed" to do we did with Vilma, and it lead to a SB, the only one in our history.

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Are you comparing a highly successful, team leader player in Vilma to a 28 year old sophomore player with 40 catches to his name? Cmon man.

It’s not the end of the world but it’s a weird move in that he’s already at the end of his athletic prime so as the team gets its footing in 2-3 years he will already be declining (even if he works out better than is likely).

It was just a poor comparison. The vast majority of nfl WRs can “contribute” to the level he did last year.

Vilma was an injured borderline elite player with great leadership qualities.

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It was just a poor comparison.

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It wasn't a comparison at all. Point went way over your head apparently.

The part you are criticizing has nothing to do with being clever. It's legit that fans bitch about trading for players coming off injury, trading for players coming off a losing season, or just bitch about the cost of the trade itself all the time.

I swear these Allen years have made so many once great posters bitter and stupid around here. Can't comprehend the simplest things any more and have nothing good to say. Only bitch bitch bitch. You guys make things so miserable.

Both the ones you and he named are outliers. Count the total number of 4th rounders from the time the first of those were drafted, get the %, and you can see the odds of getting a HOF, Pro Bowler, long term starter, short term starter, etc.

The odds on any of those are low as frick in the 4th. Sure it CAN happen, but you play the odds when making decisions on trading away picks.