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re: The Vele trade
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:30 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:30 am to Chad504boy
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Then questions GM trying to improve and fill a huge hole for a big bodied wr
32 GMs are trying to improve their teams. They are usually held accountable if they aren’t performing though.
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Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:36 am to Chad504boy
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We got a player for the pick
And old guy who isn't very good.
That's -EV all around.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:37 am to 21st Amendment
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This isn't about his production in 3 - 4 games. It's about the value paid for the asset and what he may provide over the long term. D
The problem is that with his age, there is no "long term"
That was always the fatal flaw in acquiring him. Paying way too much is the next flaw.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:37 am to St Augustine
You think Chad really likes Mickey or is he just white mouth breathing, obese, white trash, retard I picture in my head every time I read anything posted by him?
Reminder: in the preseason Chad said people were being dramatic and our QB room isn’t that bad. Chad is an idiot
Reminder: in the preseason Chad said people were being dramatic and our QB room isn’t that bad. Chad is an idiot
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:38 am to Chad504boy
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Then questions GM trying to improve and fill a huge hole for a big bodied wr.
If we're not in any position to make the playoffs, why do we need a big WR?
That works if we were going to be good and had a hole.
It makes no sense on a terrible team who needs to get younger and rebuild.
It was a "win now" move by a GM who is arrogant and truly believed he had outsmarted the league (again, after years of failure doing the same shite)
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:44 am to SlowFlowPro
Also typically teams aren’t willing to give up a 2nd year WR they got for basically free if they believe in them….especially when their WR room isn’t exactly loaded. This isn’t operating in hindsight either, most who hated this trade made all of these points in here then.
But keep on keeping on chadboi, it’ll probably be wheels up any day now for the 27 year old WR that’s having trouble cracking the depth chart of a bottom 5 WR group
But keep on keeping on chadboi, it’ll probably be wheels up any day now for the 27 year old WR that’s having trouble cracking the depth chart of a bottom 5 WR group
Posted on 10/21/25 at 8:47 am to BilJ
I think the ultra contrarian defense of Mickey/ righteous indignation mix is just for attention. Look at all the moves he knights for then look at the thread shitting on Breese who many hold a favorable view of (for right or wrong). He knows what he’s doing.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 9:11 am to SlowFlowPro
So glad we got bub means to grown old with. Long term babeee
Posted on 10/21/25 at 10:08 am to Snipe
Can you answer why it appears the staff is reducing his snap load?
And why do you think it’s absurd to be bearish on a guy with 4 catches in 6 games? Is this what you expected?
And why do you think it’s absurd to be bearish on a guy with 4 catches in 6 games? Is this what you expected?
Posted on 10/21/25 at 10:17 am to GynoSandberg
Why do we need to answer anything? Let shite play out. He’s done well with opportunities give . Should have another td in this short span. He’s not in complete control of his production and we are dealing with an offense that throws less than 200 ypg. Settle the frick down. People are wanting to be sky screamers and miserable fricks.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:22 am to 21st Amendment
You also need to look at not having the 4th rounder as a supplement to a trade. Say you pair the 4th round pick with something else to move up and get a player youre looking at in the 3rd round or 2nd round.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:37 am to GynoSandberg
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Can you answer why it appears the staff is reducing his snap load?
No, but low snap counts for a guy that joined the team after training camp and was limited in the preseason does not seem out of the ordinary.
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a guy with 4 catches in 6 games? Is this what you expected?
I had initially very low expectations for a WR who joined the team after training camp and was limited in the preseason.
Again 4 catches is low but considering he's only been thrown to 5 maybe 6 times ( the 6th being a TD that was called back because of a penalty on the oline. ) gives a misleading perception.
A guy you gave up a 4th round pick for and that has been on your roster for 3 months is not going to unseat your top 4 pass catcher on "snap count" on an offense learning a new system and looking very poor in doing so.
TE Juwan Johnson 404
WR Chris Olave 396
WR Rashid Shaheed 336
WR Brandin Cooks 321
TE Jack Stoll 132
WR Devaugn Vele 103
He's a #4 WR right now and 2 months of football in a new system he didn't have the luxury of learning for a whole off season isn't enough to say he'll never be anything else.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:53 am to Chad504boy
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So glad we got bub means to grown old with. Long term babeee
Do you think our rebuilding roster stops after this year or something?
Again, this is why you want MORE draft picks.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:54 am to Snipe
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No, but low snap counts for a guy that joined the team after training camp and was limited in the preseason does not seem out of the ordinary.
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I had initially very low expectations for a WR who joined the team after training camp and was limited in the preseason.
Assume your "he got here late" argument is 100% legit.
It makes the trade even worse, b/c we traded for him at that late stage.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 11:58 am to 21st Amendment
By your retarded rational, why don't we just give away all of our draft picks because we don't draft well. What's the use?
The trade was shite.
Your analysis was even worse.
Not sure what you do for a living, but stick to that. I don't think sports are for you.
The trade was shite.
Your analysis was even worse.
Not sure what you do for a living, but stick to that. I don't think sports are for you.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
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It makes the trade even worse, b/c we traded for him at that late stage.
Certainly if you're in a win now mindset.
I do not believe this coaching staff is. They are planning for the future, not just 2025.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 12:25 pm to Chad504boy
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Why do we need to answer anythin
The onus is on you to prove a guy with 4 catches in 6 games will work out. You ignore shite production and a reduced role set forth by CKM.
You and your buddy are name calling posters for questioning this trade. However, the coaching staff you trust has reduced his role three straight weeks. This isn’t BigJ or SFP telling you it may not be working here
Listen to yourselves - you’re trying to sell us on catches called back due to penalty. That should tell you all you need to know. Jack Stoll is a new guy, he’s breathing down Vele’s neck at 3 catches for 28 yards. MVS came off the street last year and balled.
Again you made a whole thread bitching about a guy. Vele would get cut and you’d be like hold on let’s wait and see.
Posted on 10/21/25 at 1:04 pm to Snipe
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Certainly if you're in a win now mindset.
Not just that. Any mindset. He's no spring chicken. He's old.
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I do not believe this coaching staff is.
The Vele trade says otherwise
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They are planning for the future, not just 2025.
Then why did they trade for a guy who is about to be 28?
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