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re: The Saints have been the third-biggest spenders in free agency
Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:17 am to hellsu
Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:17 am to hellsu
We lost two underperforming DTs, a bust at DE, and a backup LB and people thought the reaper finally came for the Saints 
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 9:32 am
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Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:19 am to Snipe
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Hell It ain't my money and if you can be competitive in this day and age you have to go for it.
This has always been my mindset. I can't change what they do so why bitch about it? I'm just along for the ride and if it works, great, and if it doesn't, well then some people will have to pay the piper.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 9:21 am to LSUZombie
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We lost two underperforming DTs, a bust at DE, and a backup LB and people though the reaper finally came for the Saints
Dont forget complaining about Carr at 30 million, when Daniel Jones and Watson are at 40 and 50 million.
Also the idea that Carr cant win a SB, and if he cant then he isnt worth 30 million.
Lets pretend like Matt Stafford doesnt exist, and pretend that there are a bunch of SB winning qb's to get for any price. Last SB winners are Mahomes, Brady,
Stafford, Brady. Guys sniffing the SB are limited to BUrrow and HUrts. Josh Allen hasnt been there at all.
NONE are available for the Saints.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 9:36 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:14 am to paulbeasy
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Anndd its not shocking that you missed the point, Which is that above average qb's get paid.
but they don't win many Super Bowls
Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:16 am to paulbeasy
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Because no Super Bowl winning team has EVER had a bad contract on the roster, or dead money. EVER. Right?
I never said that.
If you have a legit Super Bowl window, it's find to punish years after that window, like the Rams did, Bucs did, and Saints did 2018-2019.
The problem is acting the same as those teams without a realistic SB window, which is what the Saints are doing now. The best version of this philosophy means we're likely (but not guaranteed) to make the playoffs with a hard ceiling.
The biggest irony is that if we didn't have this terrible cap situation, we may have stockpiled enough on D to open up a new window. But now we have too many holes to realistically have that window.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 10:17 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 10:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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but they don't win many Super Bowls
Neither do some truly great QBs
And even today there are a lot of very good, young QBs who haven't won one yet, and likely never will.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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but they don't win many Super Bowls
LOL, still avoiding the point. I get it, you believe in tanking and planning to lose Becky.
Now, the actual point, name one QB that fits your criteria that we could have over Carr, or a rookie?
By your evaluation the Saints would only be smart if they had Mahomes - the only guy getting paid 45 mill plus that has won a SB, or Brady - the only star QB who really took small contracts to sacrifice for winning.
Last SB winners, are Mahomes, Stafford, Brady, Mahomes, Brady.
You have no argument, just stop already.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 11:48 am
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:48 am to LSUZombie
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Neither do some truly great QBs
And even today there are a lot of very good, young QBs who haven't won one yet, and likely never will.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:51 am to paulbeasy
SlowFlow, you got a job, or do you only come on here with dumb arse hot takes all day?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 11:54 am to SlowFlowPro
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The biggest irony is that if we didn't have this terrible cap situation, we may have stockpiled enough on D to open up a new window. But now we have too many holes to realistically have that window.
Who would we be stockpiling with if we had money? Davenport and Onyamata? One is a bust and the other has been regressing. Those are the guys you let go when you are a good organization.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 12:55 pm to blizzle
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What about all that cap hell I was told so much about?
Every year, everyone hates Loomis until March rolls around.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:26 pm to paulbeasy
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Now, the actual point, name one QB that fits your criteria that we could have over Carr, or a rookie?
Which criteria? That we could win a SB?
We didn't have that option, which is why I disagreed with the decision.
What you are having difficulty understanding is that I have never argued against the claim that Carr makes the Saints better for 2023, or that he's overpaid for what he is.
My argument is that the above-referenced "better' isn't worth it long-term.
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:28 pm to saints5021
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Who would we be stockpiling with if we had money? Davenport and Onyamata?
Are we only allowed to re-sign our guys?
What about paying nothing to get Waller and/or Jalen Ramsey?
Or signing an elite FA like Hargrave
Posted on 3/23/23 at 1:36 pm to SlowFlowPro
Waller is a name only. Ramsey is fricking toxic. You lose
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:04 pm to saints5021
Ramsey is a hall of famer still playing at an all pro level who only cost a 3rd rounder
You'd honestly rather TM7 than Jalen Ramsey manning our slot=hybrid role?
You'd honestly rather TM7 than Jalen Ramsey manning our slot=hybrid role?
Posted on 3/23/23 at 2:23 pm to saints5021
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Waller is a name only. Ramsey is fricking toxic. You lose
Holy homerism Batman. Waller is a top 5 TE when healthy and Ramsey an all pro at a premium position
Posted on 3/23/23 at 5:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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Which criteria? That we could win a SB?
We didn't have that option, which is why I disagreed with the decision.
What you are having difficulty understanding is that I have never argued against the claim that Carr makes the Saints better for 2023, or that he's overpaid for what he is.
My argument is that the above-referenced "better' isn't worth it long-term.
Right. Your argument is that we should tank, or essentially have a rookie, Mahomes, or Brady as QB. That we should only pursue a QB that could win a SB, during that "SB window."
Someone tell the Bills to dump Josh Allen because he hasnt sniffed a SB - reasonable logic right?
Pretty bad argument dude. Which is why everyone wants you to shut up.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:25 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Holy homerism Batman. Waller is a top 5 TE when healthy and Ramsey an all pro at a premium position
Talk about homerism, Ramsey is an aging CB who is making BANK, at 18-20 million a year.
His PFF score is LOWER than old Pat Peterson last season, who signed a contract for 7 million a year. Both had good years, but Ramsey had a steady decline in the years before that. Jags didnt mind him leaving.
Miami spent pick and bank for an older cb who's play is declining.
AND Waller is a soon to be 31 year old TE, coming off 2 straight injury prone seasons with limited production - had 28 catches for 388 yards last year and 55 for 665 the year before.
If you think these are marque moves youre the HOMER.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:29 pm to paulbeasy
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Your argument is that we should tank, or essentially have a rookie, Mahomes, or Brady as QB.
Nope
I'm fine with a caretaker like Dalton again.
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That we should only pursue a QB that could win a SB, during that "SB window."
Yes, which we're not currently in
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Someone tell the Bills to dump Josh Allen because he hasnt sniffed a SB - reasonable logic right?
Theyre in a Super Bowl window
Even when they re-tool, you keep elite QBs. Carr is nowhere near elite and we have the holes of a retooling team
Posted on 3/23/23 at 8:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I'm fine with a caretaker like Dalton again.
SB here we come then right?
If we kept Dalton that is tanking buddy essentially.
And we would not be in better position. We would be drafting in the teens and wouldnt sniff the playoffs or SB
And it would NOT usher us into what you consider a "SB window" quote:
Theyre in a Super Bowl window
Even when they re-tool, you keep elite QBs.
So now you would settle for being a "playoff team in perpetuity" - your words and what the Bills currently ARE. They are what we hope to be - a playoff team with a hopeful shot at winning the SB.
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Carr is nowhere near elite and we have the holes of a retooling team
No we don't - this team is solidly constructed and almost made the playoffs last year, with Dalton and a cascade of injuries.
And Carr is much closer to elite than ANYTHING OUT THERE THAT WE COULD GET. Not to mention far cheaper (ex. why folks mention Daniel Jones in this regard).
Youre just a ranter man. Karens gotta Karen.
This post was edited on 3/23/23 at 8:44 pm
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