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re: The purse for Chris Olave
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:38 pm to Chad504boy
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:38 pm to Chad504boy
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The Saints feel that they are the outliers who can identify talent at a level that is a full deviation above all the other teams in the NFL.
So in saying that, you would think they would want to own more picks then... BOOM
Which means they don't feel that way and felt these particular players gave them the best chance at success than trying to find someone deep in the later rounds.
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Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:40 pm to SaintEB
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Which means they don't feel that way
I mainly think the saints put themselves into such a need bind this year.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:41 pm to Chad504boy
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So in saying that, you would think they would want to own more picks then... BOOM
Naw.
They drafted specific players for need. They're approaching the Jeff Skilling level of arrogance in their approach
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:41 pm to Chad504boy
Lol. I was just playing devil's advocate.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:42 pm to Vacherie Saint
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you have to be really good in the late rounds. The Saints have had a few gems, and a whole lot of WTF.
That’s every one, that’s the point, it’s an inexact science, you have a lot better chance at finding gems with multiple picks.
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If you are in contention for a division title and simply need a solid LT and WR2, you arent "wrong" to trade up.
You keep discounting the possibility that you could still fill those needs. With out any of the trades the Saints could taken Penning and say G Pickens or S Moore in the 2nd. That still fills the needs AND leaves you the rest of your picks to take flyers, there were some other interesting prospects at WR in the 5th.
Or you could take the Rams approach and trade for sure things. Having to pay AJ Brown or Samuel is another problem but we know they can play which we don’t about Olave
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They drafted specific players for need.
This. This goes against everything they did under Sean Payton. They prided themselves going BPA, per their board. And it seemed to work more than not. Drafting for need hasn't been the standard.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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More picks gives you more bites at the apple, which is how you find those +EV scenarios.
So you are just going to blatantly ignore the success probabilities associated with higher round picks compared to mid-low round picks?
You would trade out of rounds 1 and 2 to get say 8 picks from rounds 3 down?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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you have a lot better chance at finding gems with high round picks.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:46 pm to Vacherie Saint
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So you are just going to blatantly ignore the success probabilities associated with higher round picks compared to mid-low round picks?
What is that success rate? Have anything to quantify that with?
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:48 pm to SaintEB
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This. This goes against everything they did under Sean Payton. They prided themselves going BPA, per their board. And it seemed to work more than not. Drafting for need hasn't been the standard.
BPA works sometimes, then sometimes you get Payton Turner and Cesar Ruiz. I think "needs drafting" fit this draft because the value/slots for the need players lined up well with where the Saints put themselves.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 1:55 pm to SaintEB
theres data out there. You can go by career longevity, contribution rate, pro bowls... They all tell you the same thing: high picks are more valuable than low ones.
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There is an open market for draft picks too, so the market tells you what these picks are actually worth. There are several draft value charts out there that articulate this.
and further - if you are going to discount some of these analytical and scouting realities and suggest everything is subjective, how can you bitch about the Saints going off Mel Kiper's script?
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There is an open market for draft picks too, so the market tells you what these picks are actually worth. There are several draft value charts out there that articulate this.
and further - if you are going to discount some of these analytical and scouting realities and suggest everything is subjective, how can you bitch about the Saints going off Mel Kiper's script?
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:26 pm to SaintEB
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They prided themselves going BPA, per their board. And it seemed to work more than not. Drafting for need hasn't been the standard.
How do we know they didn’t draft BPA? Both Olave and Penning were top 3 or top 5 at their positions. And that was pretty unanimous amongst scouts and analysts. Underhill said the Saints didn’t think Penning would make it to them at 19 but he did.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:28 pm to WicKed WayZ
They paid a hefty price.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:36 pm to Vacherie Saint
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Payton Turner
Dude is a stud. Don't do this.
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Cesar Ruiz.
Was the only healthy offensive lineman for most of last season. Try playing C next to Clapp and Throckmorten.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:37 pm to WicKed WayZ
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How do we know they didn’t draft BPA?
Penning may have been. Olave couldn't be. You don't trade up for BPA. You pick the best player at your current position.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:43 pm to SaintEB
Exactly.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:46 pm to SaintEB
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Dude is a stud. Don't do this.
it doesnt matter if hes not on the field.
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Was the only healthy offensive lineman for most of last season. Try playing C next to Clapp and Throckmorten.
The 2020 draft was filthy with guard talent and we passed on need guys like Aiyuk, Higgins, Queen, etc. to take a center a second year in a row.
You see? It doesnt matter what you do, there will always be debate because there is no silver bullet for drafting. I'm not trying to be argumentative- just pointing out that the right approach depends on the team's relative standing, philosophy, and goals.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:50 pm to Vacherie Saint
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it doesnt matter if hes not on the field
It does. But one year of being hurt doesn't mean it was a bad pick. Can't judge that pick after one year.
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I'm not trying to be argumentative- just pointing out that the right approach depends on the team's relative standing, philosophy, and goals.
Yes. I agree. Which is why feeling one way or another about any draft pick at this point is futile. The Saints did not mortgage their future to get Olave.
My only point from earlier is that their philosophy seemingly changed. I'm not arguing the merits of one or the other.
This post was edited on 5/3/22 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:52 pm to SaintEB
Penning absolutely was.. clearly. There was a gulf in talent for T once he came off the board. I agree with you on a trade up. They were anticipating a run on WR's and they were right - but they still could have snagged someone like Dotson in hindsight. Is the talent gap between Olave and Dotson worth a 3rd and 4th round pick? Not likely.
BPA for a WR at 16 and Penning with contributing DB and DT depth in rounds 2 and 4 seems like the better outcome, but all that's out the window if Olave blows up and Dotson busts.
BPA for a WR at 16 and Penning with contributing DB and DT depth in rounds 2 and 4 seems like the better outcome, but all that's out the window if Olave blows up and Dotson busts.
Posted on 5/3/22 at 2:54 pm to Vacherie Saint
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but all that's out the window if Olave blows up and Dotson busts.
Right. Its all relative to performance. Do we have a Justin Jefferson or a Lequan Treadwell? We can't know this yet.
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