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Stock up, Stock down from Saints’ offseason workouts

Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:58 pm
Posted by GMoney2600
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 2:58 pm
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The book is closed on New Orleans Saints minicamp, and now we’re moving into the summer. So what did we learn over the last week? It’s tough to develop any real takeaways from minicamp – running routes against air and blocking bags instead of live opponents isn’t football. Nobody is wearing pads. You’ve got players out on the field in various stages of recovery from injuries and rookies who have never competed against NFL-quality athletes before. So we’ve got to take it all with a grain of salt and wait patiently until the daily grind of training camp sheds more light on everything.

1 Stock up: WR Jarvis Landry
Landry immediately asserted himself as the leading receiver in Michael Thomas’ absence, dominating his competition in practice and making plays all over the field. Seeing him take younger, less-experienced teammates under his wing is encouraging, too. He’s looking like an ideal compliment to Thomas and rookie draft pick Chris Olave, and exactly the sort of reliable presence Jameis Winston can lean on.

2 Stock down: QB Ian Book
Book received a vote of confidence from his coaches to open up minicamp, but he struggled to make much headway in team drills – though we should remember he still isn’t getting many reps with Alvin Kamara, and he hasn’t thrown a single pass yet to Michael Thomas. But that was the story of his ugly start surrounded by COVID-19 replacements, too. At some point he’s got to rise above tough circumstances and make some plays.

3 Stock up: CB Alontae Taylor
The rookie hasn’t shrunk in the face of long odds; if anything, he’s put a target on Paulson Adebo and is already pushing to take that starting job opposite Marshon Lattimore. Taylor was expected to mainly help out on special teams in his first NFL season, but the tight coverage and aggressive style of play we’re seeing early on might accelerate his timeline. He needs to keep up that momentum over the summer.

4 Stock down: K Wil Lutz
This is a good reminder that we should keep expectations realistic for Lutz after an injury and complicated recovery cost him a full calendar year. He’s been erratic kicking from distance and obviously needs more time to return to form. That checks out considering he only recently received the green light to fully participate in practice. He’s got a month to get back up to speed before training camp, when we’ll be taking a closer look at his progress.

5 Stock up: LT James Hurst
First-round rookie Trevor Penning may be the long-term answer at left tackle, but for now Hurst isn’t just stepping aside to make that gig available. The veteran lineman took snaps with the first-team offense protecting Jameis Winston’s blind side, and he’s positioned himself to hang on in that role. It makes sense after he played more snaps at left tackle than Terron Armstead did last year.

6 Stock down: WR Tre’Quan Smith
We’re coming to this one in a roundabout way, but bear with me. Thomas, Landry, Olave, Deonte Harty, and Marquez Callaway are each locks to make the team. The Saints usually roster five receivers, sometimes six. Smith hasn’t stood out the way his teammates have, and he has a lot of ground to cover in making his case for a roster spot in August. A hotter start in June would have helped him. He’s got some work to do.

7 Stock up: DB Bryce Thompson

Initially considered an afterthought behind flashy free agent signings like Tyrann Mathieu and Marcus Maye, Thompson has gotten off to a hot start and could earn a roster spot ahead of other new additions like Justin Evans, Daniel Sorensen, and Smoke Monday. He’s getting looks at safety and backing up C.J. Gardner-Johnson in the slot after spending his rookie season on the Saints practice squad. Training camp will be a huge opportunity for him.
Posted by Robber DeNiro
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:02 pm to
Ian just ain't got it sorry....
Posted by mindbreaker
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:12 pm to
Stock down - Davenport. Literally missing a key component to his game he has last year
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:12 pm to
I think a lot of people feel the same way, but he's also an easy PS stash as an emergency option.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:19 pm to
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3 Stock up: CB Alontae Taylor
The rookie hasn’t shrunk in the face of long odds; if anything, he’s put a target on Paulson Adebo and is already pushing to take that starting job opposite Marshon Lattimore.

Talk about him pushing Adebo for that spot, but does this potentially push Roby out of the door? I'd imagine Roby's contribution will be as an outside back-up, but also in the slot where he'll also be battling with CJCJ & PJ for snaps. If he ends up 3rd on both depth charts, wouldn't be surprised to see him as a late cut/trade for cap relief

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5 Stock up: LT James Hurst
It makes sense after he played more snaps at left tackle than Terron Armstead did last year.

Crazy to read that, but also shows it was the smart play to not overpay and let him walk
Posted by Jwho77
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:20 pm to
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Stock down: QB Ian Book
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Stock down: WR Tre’Quan Smith


Posted by GMoney2600
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:35 pm to
Roby's cap # is less than 2 mil. No way we get rid of him when he's that cheap.

Only way I could see that is if a team offered us good value in a trade.
Posted by Bottom9
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Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 3:40 pm to
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WR Tre’Quan Smith


fricking hate this trash arse dude
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:01 pm to
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Stock down: WR Tre’Quan Smith


For someone that should be busting their arse nonstop to get a big payday, he hasn’t moved the needle very much.
Posted by Soda City Spur
Coastal Plains
Member since Mar 2017
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 4:15 pm to
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3 Stock up: CB Alontae Taylor
The rookie hasn’t shrunk in the face of long odds; if anything, he’s put a target on Paulson Adebo and is already pushing to take that starting job
I'm all about positivity, but I seriously doubt this is happening at this point of the offseason.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12337 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 5:39 pm to
They need to give Lutz some time
Posted by DallasTiger45
Member since May 2012
8808 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 6:27 pm to
I thought Sean Payton was an excellent coach for us, but his QB draft evaluation sucked

Garrett Grayson and Ian Book were both big reaches in the mid rounds who have not panned out at all.
Posted by 3PieceSpicy
Metairie
Member since Jan 2021
7913 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 8:16 pm to
To be fair, he wanted Mahomes and Burrow too.

Just couldn’t get them.
Posted by ForeverEllisHugh
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2016
16694 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:14 pm to
I hated the Book pick then and now it’s even more clear that CSP was just dicking with us.

But man if Jameis can play disciplined football our passing game can be elite. Two of the best route-running possession receivers in the game and a couple of young burners.

Hell I think Dalton could have success with this group.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:21 pm to
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Ian just ain't got it sorry....


Another QB that reminded Payton of himself not doing well?

Imagine that.
Posted by Mpd31
Member since Nov 2019
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Posted on 6/20/22 at 9:53 pm to
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To be fair, he wanted Mahomes and Burrow too.


He wanted Mahomes. Burrow was a first overall pick. Likely all 32 teams wanted him
Posted by bonethug0180
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Member since Jul 2018
5678 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 7:45 am to
Having 5 capable corners is a very good problem to have. Roby would be 4th or 5th.

PJ only plays the slot/outside corner if we have too many injuries. He's been primarily a safety for 2-3 years now.

So I don't see Roby going anywhere this year.
Posted by bonethug0180
Avondale
Member since Jul 2018
5678 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:23 am to
To be fair the VAST MAJORITY of QBs picked after round 2 bust out, as well as a very high percentage picked even in the top 10.

That's why teams are always looking. Too few actually worth a damn.

Hard to damn Payton when he never even got a high 2nd round QB. The ones we got were really just darts you hope to hit.
Posted by baytiger11
Member since Jul 2020
2604 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 8:45 am to
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Stock down: WR Tre’Quan Smith
Not surprising. You have 2 of the most physical WRs in the league now starting opposite each other, and drafted one of the most refined route runners.

Trequan has toothpick legs like devonta smith, but he's bigger and slower. Will never be able match up with physical corners like Thomas or Landry can. Would be surprised if he sees much PT, barring injury.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
22284 posts
Posted on 6/21/22 at 9:05 am to
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Having 5 capable corners is a very good problem to have

I agree, was just wondering if they hold on to someone with a little more promise to save some $$$. Didn't pull up the cap numbers, and as Gmoney pointed out it's only a few Million so they most likely keep him on for at least the '22 season.

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PJ only plays the slot/outside corner if we have too many injuries. He's been primarily a safety for 2-3 years now.

I get that, but after hearing DA talk I expect all of the safetys to be playing everywhere but outside
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