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re: So I hope Morestead has removed his head from his arse this week
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:07 pm to bountyhunter
Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:07 pm to bountyhunter
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A colder ball is typically more firm and harder to kick.
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Posted on 1/9/14 at 12:09 pm to JPLIII
100% rain and high winds are not going to help any kicker. Temp not a factor but footing and wind will be.
Hope we have our backs to the wind if possible in the second half.
Hope we have our backs to the wind if possible in the second half.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:39 pm to Chad504boy
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So I hope Morestead has removed his head from his arse this week
It could've had something to do with the temps being sub freezing and it feeling like he was kicking a bowling ball, dont ya think?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 1:40 pm to elprez00
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dont ya think?
bad punt in carolina was too recent to last week to just blame temps for me.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:11 pm to LNCHBOX
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Well if they do it inside, you go from room temp to freezing temps, thus the pressure will drop. Ideal gas law.
That's what I said. Why are you repeating it? It's the change in temperature...not the temperature itself.
If the balls are tested on the field, air pressure wouldn't be a factor.
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 2:13 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:14 pm to moneyg
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That's what I said. Why are you repeating it? It's the change in temperature...not the temperature itself.
If the balls are tested on the field, air pressure wouldn't be a factor.
You said you don't know their procedures, so I'm not sure why you think I'm repeating you.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:15 pm to Chad504boy
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bad punt in carolina
That punt was more than likely done on purpose to not give Ginn a chance to return or maybe have him muff it.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:17 pm to LNCHBOX
37 yd fair catch.... not buying.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:18 pm to Chad504boy
The other factor is the air the ball is traveling through. Cold air is more dense than warmer air, causing greater resistance as the object travels through space, giving you less distance on equivalent thrust.
A difference similar to altitude where air is thinner at higher altitudes giving you an advantage regarding distance.
A difference similar to altitude where air is thinner at higher altitudes giving you an advantage regarding distance.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:25 pm to goatmilker
nm
This post was edited on 1/9/14 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 1/9/14 at 2:26 pm to Chad504boy
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37 yd fair catch.... not buying.
He had to basically sprint to catch it. It's not like he was camped out under it.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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You said you don't know their procedures, so I'm not sure why you think I'm repeating you.
My question to you all along was a question of whether or not the officials who check the air pressure of the kicking balls (this is done every game) does this in similar conditions to the playing conditions or not.
Your response was to point out that if they do it inside, the pressure could be affected...which obviously was the source of my question.
So, again, do you know where they test the pressure? If it is outside in the playing conditions, there should be practically no change in air pressure and thus air pressure would not be a factor.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:29 pm to moneyg
Worse fight in history
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:38 pm to goatmilker
you're right
The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game.
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The home club shall have 36 balls for outdoor games and 24 for indoor games available for testing with a pressure gauge by the referee two hours prior to the starting time of the game to meet with League requirements. Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game.
LINK
Posted on 1/9/14 at 3:54 pm to blueslover
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Twelve (12) new footballs, sealed in a special box and shipped by the manufacturer, will be opened in the officials’ locker room two hours prior to the starting time of the game. These balls are to be specially marked with the letter "k" and used exclusively for the kicking game.
Yea, looks like pressure will be affected.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 4:11 pm to LNCHBOX
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Yea, looks like pressure will be affected.
Yep. According to the info that Blues posted, the temperature change (that you assumed) would cause a pressure change. So, you were right about that.
As for what is actually the major problem kicking the ball, here are some quotes from Alex Henery about this lack of distance. It kind of sheds some light into what is causing the distance issues kicking the ball (depending on who you believe)
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“The ball is not going to travel as far on a cold day,” said Henery, who later made a 31-yard field goal in the fourth quarter. “There’s no excuse – just miss something like that. I have to be better there, help the team out. It just shows that every point matters in a game like this.”
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“I thought I hit the last kickoff pretty good, actually, going into the wind there,” Henery said. “It’s just science. The ball doesn’t fly as well in cold weather. You could tell both kickers were going about goal line to the five-yard line [in the south end zone]. That’s kind of what you get. You have to work with it.
So, he doesn't mention a "soft ball". He does mention the cold air (which someone in this thread brought up.
I've seen footballs deflate in cold weather (over more time) which is why I had assumed it wasn't happening. If they were kicking a soft ball, it seems like there would be complaints.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 4:27 pm to moneyg
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So, he doesn't mention a "soft ball". He does mention the cold air (which someone in this thread brought up.
I never said a soft ball was the only reason kicks are shorter in the cold.
Posted on 1/9/14 at 4:46 pm to LNCHBOX
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I never said a soft ball was the only reason kicks are shorter in the cold.
...and I I didn't say that you did.
What do you think is the biggest factor?
Posted on 1/9/14 at 4:50 pm to moneyg
Morstead's ready... nothing can stop him now
Posted on 1/9/14 at 6:25 pm to moneyg
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The kicking balls are kept at a very precise pressure. Your assertion would only be true if the balls were filled in a different temperature than the playing conditions. Are you assuming that, or do you know that.
PV=NRT. As the temperature changes, so does the pressure accordingly. Thats why the pressure is less less when it is colder
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