re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?

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It makes you look like more of an arse because it has already been shot down with facts.

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I wish I was naive and unbiased enough to just make shite up like this, just randomly out of the blue incorrect shite like that.

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t's hard to make sense of what you are saying with Rodgers cock in your mouth.

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says the dude with Brees's cock down your throat.


I thought I left these convos behind in 8th grade, guess not.

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First there is no argument, because that requires two people to have one and you don't have one.

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Blah blah blah, i'm so unbiased I can't see things rationally blah blah blah...

That's all that says.

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Just make your points without throwing in a or some condescending remarks.
Would that be so hard?

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So that dude is talking about Rodgers' cock in my mouth and you're calling ME out because I said his insults were girly?

WTF. He gets a pass, ok. Gotcha. Gotcha.

He doesn't get a pass.

But you're calling him immature.
Only do so if you're not guilty of it yourself.
If you're gonna say stuff like that, be the better man.

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i'm not downplaying his total passing yards, but a number like that is a factor of him simply throwing way more than Rodgers.

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I think that would be a fine argument against Brees if Brees did not break his own record for the highest completion percentage this season. You don't think it's a big deal. I do. Brees simply just wasn't throwing way more than Rodgers, but was a lot more accurate than Rodgers in doing what he did.

Maybe the middle argument here is that the YAC for Rodgers vs. the completion% for Brees is practically a wash simply because both offenses were exceptionally prolific. I don't know how the voters will go with that, but you could argue this point as well. One offense had more yards, but one scored more. Scores win games, which is a point for Rodgers against Brees.

Now if you simply want to compare Rodgers vs. Brees through fifteen games, Rodgers comes out ahead. However, I don't think it's fair to reward Rodgers the MVP based on that for two reasons.

1) Brees played 16 games. He wasn't just padding his stats. The Saints were playing for the #2 seed in the NFC. My opinion is that the award should go based on the entirety of the season and not simply part of a season. If Brees had been able to rest Week 17, then I think I would have no problem with Rodgers getting the award at all. Brees had to play and had a masterful performance.

2) Rodgers watched from the sidelines as Flynn broke offensive records on the road towards a victory in Week 17 against a playoff team. Flynn not only did that, but did that without the entire offense. This is significant to me because that tells me that if Rodgers went down in a playoff game, Flynn is more than capable of holding down the fort. This slightly diminishes the value of Rodgers with that offense. I won't go as far as call him a system quarterback because that's not true. What is true is that the Packers proved they could win against a playoff team without him.

Those two reasons together as well as all the offensive records set by Brees are why I'd vote Brees over Rodgers. I would have voted for Rodgers before Week 17, but not after Week 17. I suspect Rodgers will not have a unanimous win if he does win the award.

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So if Rodgers:

-had more yards in NFL history with almost 5,500 yards,
-led the NFL in TD's,
-broke his own record for the all-time record for comp %,
-led his team to the most total yards any team in NFL history has ever put up with 7,000+ yds
-was 5 games short of breaking Johnny Unitas' 47 game TD streak
-set the record for most 300 passing games in a row & in a season

Would you deny him the MVP, if Drew Brees had a better a better TD% & INT Ratio, and had a one yard better ypa average?

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I'd vote Brees. Brees is my favorite player. it's not like I just want him to lose this award. The numbers I look at are numbers I've always looked at. I strive to be as unbiased as possible, so I'm not just gonna change my opinions and thought processes because he is my favorite player.

I value different figures. That doesn't make me right/wrong,a nd it doesn't make you right/wrong.

The numbers I like are NEVER shown on TV or on ESPN, so a lot of people don't give them much merit. But there is a really really solid argument that my numbers show which QB is more efficient, and that is what i value, efficiency.

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I think that would be a fine argument against Brees if Brees did not break his own record for the highest completion percentage this season. You don't think it's a big deal. I do. Brees simply just wasn't throwing way more than Rodgers, but was a lot more accurate than Rodgers in doing what he did.

Maybe the middle argument here is that the YAC for Rodgers vs. the completion% for Brees is practically a wash simply because both offenses were exceptionally prolific. I don't know how the voters will go with that, but you could argue this point as well. One offense had more yards, but one scored more. Scores win games, which is a point for Rodgers against Brees.

Now if you simply want to compare Rodgers vs. Brees through fifteen games, Rodgers comes out ahead. However, I don't think it's fair to reward Rodgers the MVP based on that for two reasons.

1) Brees played 16 games. He wasn't just padding his stats. The Saints were playing for the #2 seed in the NFC. My opinion is that the award should go based on the entirety of the season and not simply part of a season. If Brees had been able to rest Week 17, then I think I would have no problem with Rodgers getting the award at all. Brees had to play and had a masterful performance.

2) Rodgers watched from the sidelines as Flynn broke offensive records on the road towards a victory in Week 17 against a playoff team. Flynn not only did that, but did that without the entire offense. This is significant to me because that tells me that if Rodgers went down in a playoff game, Flynn is more than capable of holding down the fort. This slightly diminishes the value of Rodgers with that offense. I won't go as far as call him a system quarterback because that's not true. What is true is that the Packers proved they could win against a playoff team without him.

Those two reasons together as well as all the offensive records set by Brees are why I'd vote Brees over Rodgers. I would have voted for Rodgers before Week 17, but not after Week 17. I suspect Rodgers will not have a unanimous win if he does win the award.

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Fair enough. Running low on time to retort right now. I got 6 month old twin boys yelling at me to eat LOL.

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I think Drew should win, but I've also got a horse in this race. Looking at it objectively, AR is just as, if not more so, deserving.

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That's all one can ask for man, just be as objective as possible.

No blasting others and saying Brees is the obvious choice, because that simply isn't true.

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Looking at it objectively, AR is just as, if not more so, deserving.

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being completely unbiased....i just can't see how Rodgers is MORE deserving than Brees. He may be equally deserving at best. The numbers don't lie.

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he doesn't lead the NFL in TDs/game, though...you can't harm AR for not playing in the final game.

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There are undoubtedly going to be people saying that Rodgers would have broken Tom Brady's record for most touchdowns in a single season if he had played. That will be an argument used to support Rodgers. However, I think that's bogus. You don't know what would have happened had Rodgers actually played. Rodgers very well could have had a major injury early in the game. It's like the old saying goes. If my aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

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Depends on which numbers we're looking at though.

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im talking about QB stats...which ones are you talking about?