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re: So Brees is the NFL leader in yards, TDs, comp%; is 13-3, yet isnt the MVP?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:17 pm to Choctaw
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:17 pm to Choctaw
quote:QB stats.
im talking about QB stats...which ones are you talking about?
There's more to QB stats than the ones you see on ESPN. com and on ESPN.
I'm talking about QB efficiency stats.
While 46 TDs look better than 45 TD passes, it's misleading when one guy throws a TD 9.2% of the time and the other guy 6.6% of the time.
That's the kind of things I'm talking about.
This post was edited on 1/1/12 at 5:18 pm
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Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:19 pm to Catman88
quote:I think they both had all time great seasons.
Bottom line is Rodgers had an mvp season. However Brees had possibly the best season ever for a qb thats the way i see it.
But I think Rodgers' season was either 1st or 2nd to Brady's 2007 season, while Brees's was slightly behind.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:22 pm to shel311
So which records did AR end up breaking?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:25 pm to shel311
quote:
There's more to QB stats than the ones you see on ESPN. com and on ESPN.
I'm talking about QB efficiency stats.
like completion %?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:25 pm to Catman88
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So which records did AR end up breaking?
I'm guessing qb rating, which encompasses all the numbers.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:26 pm to Choctaw
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like completion %?
And others
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:30 pm to shel311
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I'm guessing qb rating, which encompasses all the numbers.
The correct term is actually passer rating. It certainly doesn't account for the season he had in terms of running with the football, which is nothing to sneeze at. I'd be surprised if Brees and Rodgers are co-MVPs simply because the media has already anointed Rodgers as the MVP early in the season. In reality, this should be a close MVP race.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:30 pm to shel311
A lot of people on this site need an intro level stats class
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:31 pm to shel311
And would also be one of the most controversial stat in the books as to its proper makeup.that has changed many times over the years. Plus its a stat that he benefits from by not playing today since its a stat that can go down.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:31 pm to shel311
yards? completions? TDs?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:31 pm to Deathrider
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. In reality, this should be a close MVP race.
I do agree that it's not a lopsided race for either side.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:34 pm to Catman88
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Plus its a stat that he benefits from by not playing today since its a stat that can go down.
We didn't exactly care when Drew Brees set the single season completion percentage record back in 2009 after only playing in fifteen games. I don't think this is much of a point against Rodgers as it seems. The bigger point against Rodgers today in that context is that Flynn lit up the Lions, setting offensive records in the process. That diminishes the value of Rodgers far more than some people are willing to admit. I almost hate to see what the talking heads are going to say about that. They'll essentially say it doesn't matter simply because they crowned Rodgers many weeks ago.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:34 pm to Choctaw
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yards? completions? TDs?
See above where I explained TDs.
Yards, he threw more. Rodgers averaged about a full yard more per attempt. You don't hear espn talk up ypa, even though it's up there a one of the most important numbers for a QB imo.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:36 pm to Catman88
Its also a stat that benefits the player with fewer attempts.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:37 pm to shel311
shel, you're actually citing valuable stats in your argument. That makes your argument a lot more credible. I don't agree with your argument, but at least you've put thought into it. ESPN doesn't really do that. The fact that Rodgers did not play today won't matter to ESPN even though it should matter.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:37 pm to Catman88
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it s also a stat that benefits the player with fewer attempts
How so?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:38 pm to shel311
That avg might be a lot lower if he ran the no offense too. He has less attempts as well which helps that avg. See the argument over attempts goes both ways.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:39 pm to Deathrider
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shel, you're actually citing valuable stats in your argument. That makes your argument a lot more credible. I don't agree with your argument, but at least you've put thought into it. ESPN doesn't really do that. The fact that Rodgers did not play today won't matter to ESPN even though it should matter.
Thanks there is nothing wrong with disagreeing and having a healthy debate about it.
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:40 pm to Catman88
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He has less attempts as well which helps that avg.
How so?
Posted on 1/1/12 at 5:41 pm to Catman88
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Bottom line is Rodgers had an mvp season. However Brees had possibly the best season ever for a qb thats the way i see it.
So Brees has the best QB season ever, but another QB is mvp, and that makes sense to you?
Both are very deserving, but when one breaks a ton of NFL records, some standing for multiple decades, that sounds like a tiebreaker to me. In this league where records are talked about every single damn week, there's no reason for it to suddenly be minimized just because it would be detrimental to Rodgers getting the MVP. Same type of shite from Peyton's last couple MVPs, where the criteria suddenly changed to whatever benefited him more. "Oh, you broke a ton of records, well his TD ratio was 2% better so frick you!"
TD Ratio, imo, is not a good one to go by, cause you are actually penalizing a QB for his WR going out at the 1 on a long pass. Completely devalues the yardage to get for him cause you're only looking at he passed the ball and it didn't go for a TD.
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