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re: SFP's RB argument
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:30 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:30 pm to Brettesaurus Rex
quote:
Thomas is more finesse to me. Ingram's more of a bruiser.
ingram isn't really the dominating big/power back that you're making him out to be
he's not bush, but he's not a 240 lb grinder
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Posted on 5/1/11 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
He's definitely not a Brandon Jacobs, but I just mean that he can take the hits a little better than Thomas.
Glad we're back to calm conversation now
Glad we're back to calm conversation now
Posted on 5/1/11 at 2:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
you mean like pierre thomas?
It's pretty much a given that Pierre Thomas can't carry the load. He's never had more than 150 carries and hasn't stayed healthy in any season even with that small workload.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 3:45 pm to moneyg
yeah we needed a platoon RB to join thomas/ivory. i don't think anybody is arguing that.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 3:45 pm to JJ27
what about a rb who had 2890 total yards and 18 touchdowns his senior year. 6551 total yards in 3 years of college and 42 touchdowns. and runs a 4.3 40.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 5:26 pm to bakersman
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what about a rb who had 2890 total yards and 18 touchdowns his senior year. 6551 total yards in 3 years of college and 42 touchdowns. and runs a 4.3 40.
What school did he go to U of Kyrpton?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 7:20 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:
What school did he go to U of Kyrpton?
actually his name is reggie bush
just to show that college stats mean dick.
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
naw
ingram "slipped" b/c RBs just don't go high anymore. it's not a value position
Ingram was projected as a first round draft pick. Most projections had him as a top 20 player. Picking him at 28 overall in exchange for a pick in the tail end of round 2 is the definition of value.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:47 pm to cuddlemonkey
quote:
b/c RBs just don't go high anymore.
since when?
seems there is always one going in the top 15 or so
Posted on 5/1/11 at 8:56 pm to Lester Earl
yeah, the idiots that say that never seem to realize:
3 2010
3 2009
5 2008
2 2007
4 2006
3 2010
3 2009
5 2008
2 2007
4 2006
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:11 pm to Lester Earl
usually the guys who go high have gamebreaking ability. you won't see a guy like ron dayne going in the top half of the draft anytime soon. i'm sure the trend will go back, so i won't say never
2007: AD (nothing else needs to be said) and lynch (speed back). in the top half (and only ones in the 1st round)
2008: all the 1st round RBs were fast. the slowest was stewart, who was around a 4.40. the others were DMac, Jones, CJ, and mendenhall
2009: 1 in the top half (moreno). the others were brown and wells drafted late. moreno is the outlier
2010: spiller (speed back) went in the top half. then there was matthews, who was supposed to be a gamebreaker (and was a huge need pick). then another speed back in best
so in the past 5 drafts, you've had 1 RB without great speed drafted in the top half. the # of RBs who ran above a 4.50 are small (moreno, ingram, brown maybe...i'm going off memory)
now i know you'll bring up me and 40 yard dashes, but the trend is what it is.
2007: AD (nothing else needs to be said) and lynch (speed back). in the top half (and only ones in the 1st round)
2008: all the 1st round RBs were fast. the slowest was stewart, who was around a 4.40. the others were DMac, Jones, CJ, and mendenhall
2009: 1 in the top half (moreno). the others were brown and wells drafted late. moreno is the outlier
2010: spiller (speed back) went in the top half. then there was matthews, who was supposed to be a gamebreaker (and was a huge need pick). then another speed back in best
so in the past 5 drafts, you've had 1 RB without great speed drafted in the top half. the # of RBs who ran above a 4.50 are small (moreno, ingram, brown maybe...i'm going off memory)
now i know you'll bring up me and 40 yard dashes, but the trend is what it is.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
usually the guys who go high have gamebreaking ability. you won't see a guy like ron dayne going in the top half of the draft anytime soon. i'm sure the trend will go back, so i won't say never
2007: AD (nothing else needs to be said) and lynch (speed back). in the top half (and only ones in the 1st round)
2008: all the 1st round RBs were fast. the slowest was stewart, who was around a 4.40. the others were DMac, Jones, CJ, and mendenhall
2009: 1 in the top half (moreno). the others were brown and wells drafted late. moreno is the outlier
2010: spiller (speed back) went in the top half. then there was matthews, who was supposed to be a gamebreaker (and was a huge need pick). then another speed back in best
so in the past 5 drafts, you've had 1 RB without great speed drafted in the top half. the # of RBs who ran above a 4.50 are small (moreno, ingram, brown maybe...i'm going off memory)
now i know you'll bring up me and 40 yard dashes, but the trend is what it is.
you said RBs just dont go high anymore because it is not a value position
maybe i read it wrong
This post was edited on 5/1/11 at 11:21 pm
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:26 pm to Lester Earl
i was summarizing that in general terms
if you bring rare traits, your value will be worth more
i mean safeties aren't valued positions in the draft, but a guy like laron will go high in every draft
there are just so many solid-good runners out there in the NFL today, that there is a glut. unless you bring something rare, you won't be as valued.
i was talking about this a few months ago on the MSB with respect to peterson. i think the vikes should trade him after next year. he'll still have a high value, his depreciation won't be seen yet, and they won't have to pay his likely ridiculous contract desires
if you bring rare traits, your value will be worth more
i mean safeties aren't valued positions in the draft, but a guy like laron will go high in every draft
there are just so many solid-good runners out there in the NFL today, that there is a glut. unless you bring something rare, you won't be as valued.
i was talking about this a few months ago on the MSB with respect to peterson. i think the vikes should trade him after next year. he'll still have a high value, his depreciation won't be seen yet, and they won't have to pay his likely ridiculous contract desires
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
i was summarizing that in general terms
didn't you just prove that original statement to not be true?
i guess its a general summarization, but its totally false
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:37 pm to Lester Earl
to be honest there were so many of these going on and i was replying so often, i don't remember everything i said
i had to just start cutting everything short
i had to just start cutting everything short
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
ingram "slipped" b/c RBs just don't go high anymore. it's not a value position
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:44 pm to Lester Earl
do you think if ingram could have been in, say, the 2005 draft, he would have lasted that long?
why do you think he lasted that long?
why do you think he lasted that long?
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why do you think he lasted that long?
I get what you're saying, but teams being cautious of you doesn't necessarily mean you aren't going to succeed. Why did Drew last so long? Why did Deuce last so long? Why did Tom Brady last so long? Sure some players throw up red flags, but those red flags don't necessarily mean a lack of success in the NFL.
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
why do you think he lasted that long?
Deep DL draft, run on QBs, 40 time
not because RB isnt a value position or because RB's don't go high anymore.
you cant say after one draft RBs don't go high anymore cause Ingram dropped to 28.
you'd at least to see some pattern to say that, and there really is none
Posted on 5/1/11 at 11:55 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Deep DL draft, run on QBs, 40 time
probably the biggest reasons. was a badass dl class.
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