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re: Seems to me by NFL rules Colston scored.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:55 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 11/9/09 at 8:55 am to Chad504boy
It's seems to me it's really up to the Ref. In another game this year same thing happen and it was a TD. i guess it's in the ref's hands 
PS. the ref's in all sports have sucked this year in my eyes
PS. the ref's in all sports have sucked this year in my eyes
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Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:07 am to Chad504boy
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Let's say a running back was diving across the goal line with his arm stretched out... the second the ball crosses the plane, it's a td... it doesn't matter if the ball is fumbled out of his hands a split second later.
That's correct. The Rules Committee really needs to revisit this. Once the ball is across the goal line and there's possession, it should be a TD.
This rule relating to a reception in the endzone makes no sense. It contradicts several other rules.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:33 am to adono
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Let's say a running back was diving across the goal line with his arm stretched out... the second the ball crosses the plane, it's a td... it doesn't matter if the ball is fumbled out of his hands a split second later.
That's correct. The Rules Committee really needs to revisit this. Once the ball is across the goal line and there's possession, it should be a TD.
This rule relating to a reception in the endzone makes no sense. It contradicts several other rules.
The rules committee will likely revisit this in the off-season.
There have been a LOT of teams complaining about inconsistent applications of the rule this year, starting with the refs overturning the Louis Murphy TD catch in the Raiders-Chargers game in Week 1. The inconsistent interpretation of the rule in the next few weeks after that haven't helped matters.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 9:53 am to teke184
The only thing I can think of when comparing the RB diving across and the WR catching in the end zone is that the Rb already had established possession before crossing the goal line. Whereas the WR is needing to establish it in the end zone for it to be considered a TD. I don't like it either and think it needs to be decided on and a clear rule needs to be determined.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:02 am to Mr. Wayne
The biggest problem with that sequence of events was the taking of a timeout THEN challenging the play. Cause of the arguing the playclock was down to like 8 before they even lined up, so go ahead and challenge it, had to waste a TO anyway. But to lose a TO and then challenge a correct call was just horrible
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:04 am to tigerguy121
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The biggest problem with that sequence of events was the taking of a timeout THEN challenging the play. Cause of the arguing the playclock was down to like 8 before they even lined up, so go ahead and challenge it, had to waste a TO anyway. But to lose a TO and then challenge a correct call was just horrible
Good thing we didn't need them.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:07 am to Chad504boy
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Good thing we didn't need them.
well we should never mention it then. Hear no evil see no evil.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:33 am to jpggpj
the rule is different for out of bounds plays and endzone plays
you basically have to be able to stand up with the ball once you hit the ground
you basically have to be able to stand up with the ball once you hit the ground
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:41 am to Mr. Wayne
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The only thing I can think of when comparing the RB diving across and the WR catching in the end zone is that the Rb already had established possession before crossing the goal line. Whereas the WR is needing to establish it in the end zone for it to be considered a TD.
But Colston did establish possession by catching the ball and getting two feet down before falling and having the ground knock the ball away. I have come to the conclusion after reading everyone's posts that there is a huge gray area with this particular play or rule. I like to think I'm pretty aware of all of the NFL rules but this one threw me off and it appears there is no real definitive answer.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 10:53 am to jpggpj
quote:Correct. But since he was hit by an opposing player on the way down he must maintain control after he hits the ground. It was the right call.
I disagree here. I watched it at home and paused the replay. After watching it in slow motion Colston NEVER bobbled the ball AT ALL. He had COMPLETE control all the way down.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 1:19 pm to jpggpj
quote:Yep. The play was called incomplete because he did not maintain control to the ground. I argue that the play is over at the point that he actually catches it and gets two feet in.
re: Seems to me by NFL rules Colston scored.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 1:25 pm to xiv
The reason this rule was established is because sometimes replays show a split second picture of a receiver having "possession" of the ball only to lose control of it when he hits the ground.
I think it is just when contact is made or when the receiver is falling out of bounds, he has to maintain control all the way through the contact with the ground, which he did not do.
Yes, it still seems like there is a gray area.
I think it is just when contact is made or when the receiver is falling out of bounds, he has to maintain control all the way through the contact with the ground, which he did not do.
Yes, it still seems like there is a gray area.
This post was edited on 11/9/09 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/9/09 at 1:28 pm to jpggpj
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But Colston did establish possession by catching the ball and getting two feet dow
According to the rules, no he didn't. If you go to the ground on a catch you have to hold on to the ball.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 1:31 pm to NOSA
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According to the rules, no he didn't. If you go to the ground on a catch you have to hold on to the ball.
What if you tie your shoe after you catch a touchdown? Do you have to hold onto the ball while tieing said shoe?
Posted on 11/9/09 at 2:20 pm to Chad504boy
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What if you tie your shoe after you catch a touchdown? Do you have to hold onto the ball while tieing said shoe?
What kind of damn question is this?
Do you know anything about football?
Everyone knows receivers wear shoes with Velcro due to the "Tying Shoes Rule"...geeeez.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 2:24 pm to jpggpj
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Really, but the ground cannot cause a fumble.
It didn't cause the fumble. It caused the incompletion.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 2:25 pm to tigerguy121
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The biggest problem with that sequence of events was the taking of a timeout THEN challenging the play.
THIS.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 4:56 pm to Sophandros
Didn't the Official say that the ruling on the field was confirmed because the receiver did not establish possession before hitting the ground? I may be remembering wrong, but I thought that his explanation is what made me furious. If he would have said that the receiver must maintain possession even after hitting the ground, it would've been a lot easier to understand.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 6:33 pm to Sophandros
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It didn't cause the fumble. It caused the incompletion.
Thanks for pointing out my poor choice, or should I say wrong choice, of words. I'm guessing the ground could be the defenders next best friend for helping defend a pass.
Posted on 11/9/09 at 7:42 pm to jpggpj
Spoke with a friend of mine who is a college ref and very familiar with this rule. There is no controversy, the player has to maintain possession all the way to the ground. As has been stated repeatedly, it was the right call. There is no gray area, he did not score. Let's hope he makes that catch next time around. 
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